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An interesting wiki article on dog whistling, with plenty of examples from the American Right:

Dog Whistling (Politics)
and strangely very few examples from the left :unsure: This must mean they don't engage in that kind of stuff at all and are of the two the most virtuous and pure :p


nah In all honesty i'm not that impressed by specifically these kinds of everyone-can-put-some-term-on-wiki articles m8..

This is a prime example of one of those vague buzzterms that frequently get used by opposing ideological or political camps when they can’t actually point a concrete, well defined finger at the opponent for engaging in pretty much the exact same tactics and behavior that they do, and so when out of ammo they come up with things like this. Its political mud slinging.

another example of vague buzzterms nowadays would be something like

- "microaggression"
or to use an example from the right wing of the political isle:
- "Queerbaiting"

"Dog whistle" as a term (and the way in this article is presented) is in itself a Dog wistle and a wink wink nod nod to supporters of the left to imply that there is a vast right wing conspiracy against them that communicates with hidden codewords too its supporters. because remember: "the message of dog-whistling is especially clear to those who can hear it"

in other words: completely subjective and not to mention extremely loaded from the send-end of the message. ;)
 

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and strangely very few examples from the left :unsure: This must mean they don't engage in that kind of stuff at all and are of the two the most virtuous and pure :p


nah In all honesty i'm not that impressed by specifically these kinds of everyone-can-put-some-term-on-wiki articles m8..

This is a prime example of one of those vague buzzterms that frequently get used by opposing ideological or political camps when they can’t actually point a concrete, well defined finger at the opponent for engaging in pretty much the exact same tactics and behavior that they do, and so when out of ammo they come up with things like this. Its political mud slinging.

another example of vague buzzterms nowadays would be something like

- "microaggression"
or to use an example from the right wing of the political isle:
- "Queerbaiting"

"Dog whistle" as a term (and the way in this article is presented) is in itself a Dog wistle and a wink wink nod nod to supporters of the left to imply that there is a vast right wing conspiracy against them that communicates with hidden codewords too its supporters. because remember: "the message of dog-whistling is especially clear to those who can hear it"

in other words: completely subjective and not to mention extremely loaded from the send-end of the message. ;)

gay civil unions: gay marriage. This one makes sense because if civil unions don't confer the same legal benefits as marriage, then something needs to change. You either update the laws so civil unions are at the same level as marriage (from a legal standpoint), or you allow gay marriage

edit: and even if you think dog whistling is itself a dog whistle, you should still be suspicious of anyone who engages in this seemingly-innocent speech that holds deeper meaning for those who hear it.
 

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gay civil unions: gay marriage. This one makes sense because if civil unions don't confer the same legal benefits as marriage, then something needs to change. You either update the laws so civil unions are at the same level as marriage (from a legal standpoint), or you allow gay marriage

edit: and even if you think dog whistling is itself a dog whistle, you should still be suspicious of anyone who engages in this seemingly-innocent speech that holds deeper meaning for those who hear it.
so I can presume then you're also very weary of seemingly-innocent speech like "diversity" and "inclusivity" that hold deeper meaning for those who hear it?

or is this only one sided from your end?

this is what i mean with completely subjective and not to mention extremely loaded from the send-end of the message.

Edit: this kind of vague panickery winking is also prime bait for trolling, which proponent of the term have been quite the victim of in recent years including large legacy papers. who, via 4 chan sublte hinting managed to create mass panic in making them think that "milk" was a signal of white supremacy. 🤦‍♂️

or the 👌 sign was actually nazi ïsm. I mean seriously...
 
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gotcha, that always bothered me tbh but I guess it's all good
Haha all good indeed but I wish you would've asked me right then and there, instead of getting a wrong opinion about myself and sort of looking at me from that perspective.
 
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so I can presume then you're also very weary of seemingly-innocent speech like "diversity" and "inclusivity" that hold deeper meaning for those who hear it?

or is this only one sided from your end?
A good chunk of liberal/left-minded people (myself included) are suspicious of corporations that focus too much on D&I/virtue signaling. Curiously, there's a Time article on dog-whistle diversity, by a working WOC:

Though the companies are increasing the headcount of multicultural employees, they are missing what researchers call effective diversity management, or the inclusion piece. These are the vital tools which lead to better decision making, authentic engagement amongst employees, innovation and thought leadership, and sustainable growth within an organization. It becomes evident organizations are making efforts towards diversity and inclusion in name only. Therefore, diversity is measured, but inclusion is ignored.
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And when an organization has a low amount of minority executives, multicultural women interpret it as an indicator of barriers to advancement.
Corporations can be all talk, no real substance, and they will continue to be so unless they make a concerted effort to have diversity across all levels of the organization, not just the grunts at the bottom.

this is what i mean with completely subjective and not to mention extremely loaded from the send-end of the message.

Edit: this kind of vague panickery winking is also prime bait for trolling, which proponent of the term have been quite the victim of in recent years including large legacy papers. who, via 4 chan sublte hinting managed to create mass panic in making them think that "milk" was a signal of white supremacy. 🤦‍♂️

or the 👌 sign was actually nazi ïsm. I mean seriously...
I didn't know about either of those things
 
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Haha all good indeed but I wish you would've asked me right then and there, instead of getting a wrong opinion about myself and sort of looking at me from that perspective.
yeah I've had the wrong opinion of you for a while... I'm sorry.
 
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Don’t fall for it m8.. Gagi has a big Trump shrine in his bedroom that he doesn’t want anybody to know about 😛😛
 
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I was reading a post from an Aussie blogger earlier, and this reader's comment reminded me of you @Progrez


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I don’t typically ask you questions that are of the “personal therapy” genre, but here goes: how the fuck do you (general you) work at a horrific job that is mentally draining, in which you face passive aggressive harassment on a daily basis and are literally ostracized by your coworkers, but which your superiors write off as “unsubstantiated,” where your entire department is unappreciated by said superiors, none of you have been properly trained so you’re all just winging it as you go, and everything is so tense and yet at the same time so dismissive you just want to unalive yourself so you don’t have to go in on Monday morning, and NOT go insane?

I work a gov’t job, and I’m miserable because of all the above reasons. I’ve essentially been bullied for a year, but my requests for help have been met with “what you say is happening is not happening.” I’d quit on the spot if I could, but I have an apartment and Dreamcatcher shit to buy. Plus if I stick with the job for a few more years, I can kiss my student loans bye bye. But man, it’s just making my depression so much worse, and I feel like I’m swimming against the current.

How do I deal?

The blogger's response:

I had a job like this many years ago, I dealt with it by quitting and getting a better job that wasn’t in the government! Working in the government is shit.
 

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I was reading a post from an Aussie blogger earlier, and this reader's comment reminded me of you @Progrez


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The blogger's response:
How do you deal with it? You cop and make yourself age a lot faster and resort to taking drugs, smoking and alcohol and gambling as a means of escape. I went through that shit and my parents feel I have not been properly trained but that's not the case when you don't know how to react in those stressful situations and people are leeches and hyenas' they love seeing you in pain or discomfort to the point where you become sadistic person. If you don't like it you are looked at weak and not a "Man". Imagine being gaslighted and your perceptions being thrown out of synch where people can easily manipulate you to their own specification no matter how smart you maybe and management and staff can get away with in those cut throat work environments.

I have turned down a job that pays $42 per hour at a Government job and my former boss got away with sleeping with some of the younger girls and he has 2 kids and a wife and he could get away with it. If I did those things I would have ended up in prison the double standards in most companies is ludicrous.
 
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How do you deal with it? You cop and make yourself age a lot faster and resort to taking drugs, smoking and alcohol and gambling as a means of escape. I went through that shit and my parents feel I have not been properly trained but that's not the case when you don't know how to react in those stressful situations and people are leeches and hyenas' they love seeing you in pain or discomfort to the point where you become sadistic person. If you don't like it you are looked at weak and not a "Man". Imagine being gaslighted and your perceptions being thrown out of synch where people can easily manipulate you to their own specification no matter how smart you maybe and management and staff can get away with in those cut throat work environments.

I have turned down a job that pays $42 per hour at a Government job and my former boss got away with sleeping with some of the younger girls and he has 2 kids and a wife and he could get away with it. If I did those things I would have ended up in prison the double standards in most companies is ludicrous.
I believe you. Why does the Australian government have such a bad work environment?
It sounds like you're much happier at your current job, wherever you are
 

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It reminds me a bit of wolf of Wallstreet, the work environment that is.

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Government jobs are generally speaking shit jobs across the board. Part of it has to do with the fact that they’re not beholdend to any market forces/ are their own little monopoly in essence. So unless your like a (pri) minister, its much easier you going to get the shrug treatment whether “customer” or employee
 
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I believe you. Why does the Australian government have such a bad work environment?
It sounds like you're much happier at your current job, wherever you are
The Government does not care at all, they have this "We Care" motto but it's just a bogus scam to lure you in and then use you as a slave. Well, some of them don't have a choice, there is nothing they can do management and some staff use empathy and trauma bonding a psychological manipulative and exploitative tactic to get inside your head and then they use that information against you and I saw psychologically change my personality just by a mere thought by them and humans are strange people anything too perfect is considered not to be real and because their parents had such behaviours they took on those traits as kids. Some of the people in the Department don't have any other means to go anywhere else because of a fear of losing that feeling whether it be addiction to drugs, music, smoking or gambling and when they lose that thing it's like being heartbroken or feeling like you've lost a sense of your self and some of them have experienced porn addiction, sex addiction, domestic violence, trauma and disability and psychsosis episodes too and they can't go into private sector because no one would support them. You are not living in an idealistic world, if you have any imperfections they pass judgement based on your looks, they determine your life from the very beginning because I have had a lot of hardships I cannot live in luxury and do the things I want to get because I am perceived as dirty because of the ethnicity. Australia had the white Australia policy it was only abolished in the 1970's they don't want some brown person to take over the departments if you have a look all of them are pure white or pure Chinese or Japanese . There is not a single Aboriginal person at the top of any Department and yet they allow them to use drugs and alcohol and they put them on income management as a means to control their alcohol behaviour while the idiots who brought it and permanently destroyed their lives get to live in the fantasy drinking their fancy alcohol and they don't want to change themselves.

In that Department it worked on a 90's style where your mind is brainwashed to be like the 90's style corporate team. You are basically glued to the screen and escapist and get to live in the fantasy land for the rest of their life and you act all innocent while in the corporate environment, it was nothing more than scaring contest to see who can be scared the most. I saw them play god and control my confidence levels too, dealing with psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissist people giving you evil looks like a T800 robot giving you evil looks and it was the most traumatising thing I've had to face and they use suffering as a means of control kinda like the ones in this episode from Star Trek - Symbiosis. My only wish is that Karma gets back at those medicare, and Corporate fuckers who manipulated me from the very beginning and you are endless loop of a system that's flawed and you feel trapped, whether you go into aged care home or a prison or working in the work environment it all feels the same they shoot first and ask questions later. They had absolute power, you are giving the illusion of freedom too. I am struggling with self care at the moment even after 3 years has passed today after I left.




It's the same micromanagement but it's still toxic and I am being paid less butin the private sector is whoever is the prettiest gets the most money and then the work become toxic and has a ripple effect because of the toxicity.
 
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Solution: be your own boss. Start a company/ 1 man business for yourself
Did so right after college, 0 regrets
 
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It was my birthday on Friday, I am officially in the final year of my 30's 😳

In an unusual, but welcome turn of events, my younger brother said he'd take me out for a meal & drinks.
He's only in his mid 20's and suffers badly from anxiety and finds leaving the house for long periods of time or being in crowded places very stressful. So it was great to actually get him out for the night!
He finally decided to stop smoking weed a couple of months back and it's amazing how much of his self esteem has come back since.

Like, I've always been of the mind it should be legal, but there's not doubt in my mind it can certainly exacerbate existing mental health problems for some people.

We had a good night, ate some great food and then drank far to much craft beer in a local microbrewery bar 🥳

Then spent saturday visiting my mum, and spent the evening watching old comedies (Police Squad!) ,drinking even more beer and she cooked a roast leg of lamb with all the trimmings... good job I'm not back in work 'til weds as I need the extra days to recover 😂
 

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It was my birthday on Friday, I am officially in the final year of my 30's 😳

In an unusual, but welcome turn of events, my younger brother said he'd take me out for a meal & drinks.
He's only in his mid 20's and suffers badly from anxiety and finds leaving the house for long periods of time or being in crowded places very stressful. So it was great to actually get him out for the night!
He finally decided to stop smoking weed a couple of months back and it's amazing how much of his self esteem has come back since.

Like, I've always been of the mind it should be legal, but there's not doubt in my mind it can certainly exacerbate existing mental health problems for some people.

We had a good night, ate some great food and then drank far to much craft beer in a local microbrewery bar 🥳

Then spent saturday visiting my mum, and spent the evening watching old comedies (Police Squad!) ,drinking even more beer and she cooked a roast leg of lamb with all the trimmings... good job I'm not back in work 'til weds as I need the extra days to recover 😂
I can relate to that. I found the few times not having headphones in public I had panic attacks, anxiety, awkwardness and even waiting this Saturday in the line for Trance Sanctuary was horrible. And with year after year I find it getting worst and worst. If i am not with a friend or someone I know I need headphone to isolate myself, and living in London definitely does not help.

On the plus side I am starting a basic admin job on Monday so no more retail bs for a while...
 

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Had the most stressful day at work today. Nobody drove me mad, but just the amount of information and communication I had to handle, as well as solve issues waaaay above my pay grade and experience, help out people way outside my team... Just a huge amount of work all piled down on me. Even though I am the most junior guy in the biggest team on our project, I felt like I was the dev lead today (our dev lead is on vacation).

It's absolutely overwhelming - yes - but also very motivating. Got a taste of it today (and this week, even). Becoming a lead was always one of my ambitions, so now I know where I stand and how far do I have to go.
 

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I've been trying to save money for a car - I found one - and I am just a month away from being able to get a loan for it. Unfortunately though, the ad for the car I wanted has now disappeared, meaning it's been bought. It seemed in such a good condition, but unfortunately no luck there. I also quite like one other car, but ads for it are very very rare as well.

Oh well. What else to spend money on?
 
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