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Jetflag

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How often does that actually happen, where a man suddenly "identifies as a woman" to continue raping women?
There have been several documented cases already, ranging from invading privacy to harassment to actual rape.

how many times, oh virtuous so-called anti mysogenist 😄 should it happen before you acknowledge it as a problem?

10 times? 50? A hundred?
 

dmgtz96

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How? What does that even mean?

this phrase keeps popping up all the time in far left propaganda talking points but no one has ever been able to explain to me how acknowledging biological differences is somehow a form of not validating or acknowledging that trans women exist
It's not "far left propaganda" but a fact that everyone young and left-leaning accepts. This is why we don't like JK Rowling.

In simplest terms, not believing that trans women *are* women is an invalidation of the existence of trans women. They might have biological differences since trans women obviously started out as men and transitioned into women, but basically trans women is just a *type* of women. Just like rich women vs poor women, white women vs minority women, etc.

I'm not saying trans women need to compete in women's sports, which is a big can of worms that the world doesn't want to talk about yet. It's just that JK Rowling and her TERF allies actively undermine the existence of trans women by tweeting, "trans women are male" (which they're not) and "men cannot transition into women."

At irs core, modern feminism is supposed to be intersectional. TERF is directly against intersectional feminism (since it rejects trans women), which is why JK Rowling is not liked by feminists.
 
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but basically trans women is just a *type* of women. Just like rich women vs poor women, white women vs minority women, etc.
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first, big kudos for actually giving an attempt an explanation instead of just yelling "bigot!" and then running of (y)

now lets get into it:

It's not "far left propaganda" but a fact that everyone young and left-leaning accepts. This is why we don't like JK Rowling.


everybody in your circle accepts it blindly as truth, therefor it is not propaganda/ a narrative pushed on you :sneaky:
In simplest terms, not believing that trans women *are* women is an invalidation of the existence of trans women. They might have biological differences since trans women obviously started out as men and transitioned into women, but basically trans women is just a *type* of women. Just like rich women vs poor women, white women vs minority women, etc.
TERFS acknowledge they are a *type* of women. namely a man who transitioned post hoc to take on the identity of a women. They do not dispute this. Therefor: they are not invalidating their existence as a trans women.

I'm not saying trans women need to compete in women's sports, which is a big can of worms that the world doesn't want to talk about yet. It's just that JK Rowling and her TERF allies actively undermine the existence of trans women by tweeting, "trans women are male" (which they're not) and "men cannot transition into women."
yes they are.. they are trans-women but they are biogically male. Sorry but thats just a fact.

-They don't have overies/ whombs
- xy chromosome's encode the genome,
- the skeletal structure is male.
- there's have no aquitance with menstruation or giving birth
- and require surgury to make him look like her.
- and i'm not even getting in the theusean psychological aspect of it.

note* this doesn't mean they're somehow less of a person/individual/ human. And I personally think they should be called she/her if only for mental health reasons.. its just that within the spectrum of male/intersex/female. they fall in the male catagory and are trans-women. (men who transitioned)

At irs core, modern feminism is supposed to be intersectional. TERF is directly against intersectional feminism (since it rejects trans women), which is why JK Rowling is not liked by feminists.
no, at its core feminism is pro female. and intersectionalism is a seperate philosphy continuing to sub catagorize stuff through a post modern lens. they can go hand in hand but they're in no way *supposed* to do that by any feminist logos, ethos or pathos standard.
 
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dmgtz96

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first, big kudos for actually giving an attempt an explanation instead of just yelling "bigot!" and then running of (y)

now lets get into it:
everybody in your circle accepts it blindly as truth, therefor it is not propaganda/ a narrative pushed on you :sneaky:
"trans women are women" is something you only hear from liberals, and "trans women are men" is something you only hear from conservatives and TERFs. This isn't a "circle" thing but instead a fundamental difference between liberal and conservative mindsets.

TERFS acknowledge they are a *type* of women. namely a man who transitioned post hoc to take on the identity of a women. They do not dispute this. Therefor: they are not invalidating their existence as a trans women.
TERFs think trans women are not "real women." Also, misgendering someone is rude, a dismissal, and could be interpreted as invalidating someone's existence. (See: Jordan Peterson with Elliot Page)
yes they are.. they are trans-women but they are biogically male. Sorry but thats just a fact.

-They don't have overies/ whombs
- xy chromosome's encode the genome,
- the skeletal structure is male.
- there's have no aquitance with menstruation or giving birth
- and require surgury to make him look like her.
- and i'm not even getting in the theusean psychological aspect of it.

note* this doesn't mean they're somehow less of a person/individual/ human. And I personally think they should be called she/her if only for mental health reasons.. its just that within the spectrum of male/intersex/female. they fall in the male catagory and are trans-women. (men who transitioned)
Sex isn't gender.
All of those would be fine as opinions, except that your buddies like Matt Walsh and JK Rowling actively push for hostility against trans-women (and transgender people in general) and have influence to convince politicians to reduce and dismiss transgender rights
no, at its core feminism is pro female. and intersectionalism is a seperate philosphy continuing to sub catagorize stuff through a post modern lens. they can go hand in hand but they're in no way *supposed* to do that by any feminist logos, ethos or pathos standard.
Spend some time on a US college campus, and you will quickly realize that almost all feminism (that is legit and is taken seriously anyways) is intersectional 4th gen feminism. This type of feminism is very strongly at odds with previous gens who primarily catered toward white women. Those previous gen feminists will get called out by 4th gen feminists veeeeery quickly. Feminism and intersectionalism are indistinguishable today, and being a "feminist" without being intersectionalist (excluding minorities and LBGTQ+, especially trans) immediately leads you to not being taken seriously.
 

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"trans women are women" is something you only hear from liberals, and "trans women are men" is something you only hear from conservatives and TERFs. This isn't a "circle" thing but instead a fundamental difference between liberal and conservative mindsets.
I don't care if its something you hear from Santa Claus or his mindset.

Biology e.a. Science doesn't lie. They are male.
TERFs think trans women are not "real women."
yeah its because they are not. categorically, biologically and I would argue even psychologically. They are trans-women, different catagory falling in the biologically male spectrum. The TERFS are simply right in this. and you can hate them all you want for that..its not going to change the reality.

Sex isn't gender.
All of those would be fine as opinions, except that your buddies like Matt Walsh and JK Rowling actively push for hostility against trans-women (and transgender people in general) and have influence to convince politicians to reduce and dismiss transgender rights
transgender rights is a non-sense term. what are those precisely? They can have the same rights like everyone else. including not getting to randomly pick your own public bathroom, showers, prisons, or olympic games, when you are of the opposite sex.

Little fact for you to google: out of 125 “transgenders” counted by the uk prison service in 2017, 60 had been convicted of sexual offenses, including 27 convicted of rape.

If you and your "buddies" in the far left uni-circles you reside in think "rudeness" and "muh feefies" is more important then that^. and therefor can't recognize in your flawed intersectional philosophy that, just like men and women, trans-women and trans-men should have their own spaces. designations, public bathrooms, showerrooms, prison wings and/or olympic games as a result of their biology because "the evul consurvativus" beat you to that by adopting that reality early on..

then you need to do some serious navel staring. as you are enabling Rape

and are in that specific sense,worse then Andrew Tate


Spend some time on a US college campus, and you will quickly realize that almost all feminism (that is legit and is taken seriously anyways) is intersectional 4th gen feminism.This type of feminism is very strongly at odds with previous gens who primarily catered toward white women. Those previous gen feminists will get called out by 4th gen feminists veeeeery quickly.
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"spend some time in my church and you will quickly realize that almost all Christianity there (that is legit and is taken seriously anyways) is Babtism" This type of Christanity is very strongly at odds with previous gens who primarily catered towards europeans. Those previous gen-christians will get called out by Babtist followers veeeeeeery quickly"

you're not making any valid point here @dmgtz96 you're just being tribal.
 
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It hurts to read your posts dmtgz96. Do you even have any of your own thoughts? Is this your own personal views or are you just spewing out leftist/gen z sterotypical identity politics to "stir it up"? Just to take a "side"? Are you actually interested in these things or is it just a "phase" you have been into the last 2 years or whatever? Everything I read from you is like reading something that doesnt come from a person, more like someone that are brainwashed and unable to reason. Like a automaton thats wired to just think in one way and speak from one source, without and thoughts of their own. Its actually hard to understand.

I hope you do change your views in 5-10 years, and im 90% sure you will. Most people will get a little more reasonable in their 30s ;)

I would suggest both of you leaving this conversation, you dont have to have this back and forth in every single OFF-topic thread do you? if anyone find this entertaining however- just go on youtube and watch steven crowders "Change my mind" debates. Its this exact conversation we see in this thread. You are pretty tired of hearing it over and over again after watching one video of that. It feels very 2018 by now also. Nobody really cares. I dont see why you @jetflag keep trying to reason with him either. Its not a fruitful debate. But if you get something out of it please do continue.
 
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Jetflag

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@Daysleeper every debate is fruitful, and despite me and @dmgtz96 being diametrically opposites more often then not.. I always find debating him insightful, fun, mutually respectful (mostly) and educational. And will infact on purpose be devils advocate for topics, just to get the noggin’ joggin’

So far you’ve been the first to express dismay of us having that here… fair enough.. if more people feel that way I’m happy to migrate the topic to a designated thread or pm 🤷‍♀️
 
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@Daysleeper every debate is fruitful, and despite me and @dmgtz96 being diametrically opposites more often then not.. I always find debating him insightful, fun, mutually respectful (mostly) and educational. And will infact on purpose be devils advocate for topics, just to get the noggin’ joggin’

So far you’ve been the first to express dismay of us having that here… fair enough.. if more people feel that way I’m happy to migrate the topic to a designated thread or pm 🤷‍♀️
Fair enough .What I have come to learn is the exact opposite. and judging from the way both of you are "communicating" you seem both very eager to just express and hold on two your own respective "views" or ideologies and it comes out very argumentativ, and I really dont see it as fruitful. I dont see a disccussion here, just an argument without any type of settlement. Have you seen the Crowder debates? They remind me very much of them. They are not that fruitful if you ask me. I agree with his views all-in-all but I find that he's a coming out like this nice-guy-lets-have-a-frienldy-debate but I think he really just wants to feed his inner ego, but it backlashes with some of these more heated leftists so he prolly wished he never set up some of these debates in the first place. I remember when I was younger and I was so into "alternative healing/medicin haha and I would argue to death and to the end of time itself with my parents and some friends about it. I dont think it turned to anything good in the end. I harldy argue with people anymore, its completely a waste on my part. I try to avoid it as much as I can though, atleast IRL. Easier said than done on the internet, but its even more of a poisonous pit here.

I dont mean to sound like a downer and Im not a mod ofc haha so if you two enjoy this, please continue, just weird to do it in this thead isnt it? Better to do it in politics or similar?
 
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you seem both very eager to just express and hold on two your own respective
Wel ofcourse everybody does. But we’ve just before this has a very insightful discussion on the scientific front where we both on the general principle agree.

I agree with him that trans people should be met with dignity and inclusion. I just don’t think we should ignore reality for the sake of feeling to that degree and/or set the bar of what a transindividual is so low that a serialrapist with a hairy chest, beard 100 pounds of muscle and 20 cm shlong is now “a woman” because he “defines himself that way” via intersectional doctrine 🤷‍♀️

these types of discussions to me aren’t so much about convincing the other party, they’re about learning how others view the world and sharpening your own mind in the process
 
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I am wondering about if i need a subwoofer to add to my system or not.
Usually people will just say "Sure man, just fucking do it", but it's not always that simple - you really have to make sure the sub doesn't muffle out highs and mids like my old sub did. Sure, most subs today you can set to a specific strength and that can help in some cases, but I've always found that super annoying as different medias "require" different levels.

Are you talking about tv or pc setup?
 
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Usually people will just say "Sure man, just fucking do it", but it's not always that simple - you really have to make sure the sub doesn't muffle out highs and mids like my old sub did. Sure, most subs today you can set to a specific strength and that can help in some cases, but I've always found that super annoying as different medias "require" different levels.

Are you talking about tv or pc setup?
Also depends on your room. Too much low end isnt really a profit when your room is unoptimized. I have very very little low end because I have a small room I am not able to optimize in any way. Also depends a lot if you wanna mix/master or just listen to music, if the last one is the case you have it way easier of course.
 

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I am wondering about if i need a subwoofer to add to my system or not.
A good (sonic) podium outweighs any individual addition. I would get the acoustics of the room right first before deciding wether or not a subwoofer is needed or desirable