AI, procedural generation and other new music technologies - What does the future of music hold?

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Gawd dam @Hensmon this is scary

And now @marvas adds to it:


This sound better than most of my tracks even the ones where I mostly sample most of it or spend ridiculous amount of time.

Edit: Comparing to the song I just finished I am actually feeling my song sounds more robotic than the AI generated music lol

GG AI you win this round
 
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So how many pretend trance producers will come out of the woodwork now using this AI haha?!
I have to say it created a track which sounded better than Armin Destination track. But a part of me also wants to know how to make tracks like this in real life as well.
 

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so far what I've heard from AI generated music were of a pretty low technical quality, I mean it's very far from major label hits in terms of mixdowns, mastering (if there's any in the AI stuff), etc. The samples used are often noticeably cheap and don't fit the composition.

Another point already discussed here is that it's all utterly unoriginal which is natural for a rehash, which is basically what any AI generator does to generate its output.

So yeah it's still far from affecting real money makers in the music industry.
 
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so far what I've heard from AI generated music were of a pretty low technical quality, I mean it's very far from major label hits in terms of mixdowns, mastering (if there's any in the AI stuff), etc. The samples used are often noticeably cheap and don't fit the composition.

Another point already discussed here is that it's all utterly unoriginal which is natural for a rehash, which is basically what any AI generator does to generate its output.

So yeah it's still far from affecting real money makers in the music industry.
Didn't just Tupac family took down a song with AI version of him from Drake. So much for not reaching big labels.

On the other hand you are right only very big artists and very small ones will be victimized by AI.

Big name artists that have passed away for obvious reasons.

As for smaller artists... There is already places like supermarkets choosing to play AI music instead of paying for licenses for music. This is a huge blow for smaller and indie artists where another form of revenues is slowly going away. Its bad enough what streaming services like Spotify are doing to them. There is no longer any incentive apart wanting to learn and make music basically.

On the other hand how do you think new artist are going to feel when they are starting and being compared to AI music. There is truly potential for a very bleak future for the music industry.

With that said we are talking by music entirely generated by AI which is the problem here. I believe there will be regulations put in place in the future.

Smaller things like AI copying samples and evolving them for example, will take sampling on another level. There is also a huge potential when it comes to AI helping producers with randomly generated ideas.

Arpeggiators come in mind because lets face it there are some artist speaking against AI, but they use randomisers and arpeggiators, they copy other artist work (Harder not do it actually) and then they speak against AI for doing the same.

One thing is certain AI will play a big role in music...
 
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This is a huge blow for smaller and indie artists where another form of revenues is slowly going away. Its bad enough what streaming services like Spotify are doing to them.
isn't it how it slowly goes towards monopolizing in any business?

the gap between the artists making it from their music (mostly from touring but music still plays its role there) and the others is already too big, same for the labels, only Armada, Black Hole and Anjuna remain kinda 'big' on trance scene and, you like the tunes or not, most of the time (except for shit that's not about music at all like that recent Oakey & Cox collab) their releases do sound on another level compared to what's coming on mid/low range labels. Artists need expensive equipment to make stuff sound really good, and with the tiny revenue from the smaller labels releases they sure won't be spending their day job savings on that for too long, especially over time when one gets family to take care of. so the AI would offer these guys making a technically average stuff, guess, with the AI development, more or less of the same level they'd come up themselves but just with a quick prompt instead of hours of starring in their DAWs. Believe me a lot of them still believe in short cuts and want everything right now, so they'll use AI and generate dozens of tracks and will spam them to dozens of labels.

Essentially it will lead to label demo emails becoming obsolete and each label will tend only to keep working with the artist that already proven himself for the label with previous releases. That's already happening though for different reasons.
 
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isn't it how it slowly goes towards monopolizing in any business?

the gap between the artists making it from their music (mostly from touring but music still plays its role there) and the others is already too big, same for the labels, only Armada, Black Hole and Anjuna remain kinda 'big' on trance scene and, you like the tunes or not, most of the time (except for shit that's not about music at all like that recent Oakey & Cox collab) their releases do sound on another level compared to what's coming on mid/low range labels. Artists need expensive equipment to make stuff sound really good, and with the tiny revenue from the smaller labels releases they sure won't be spending their day job savings on that for too long, especially over time when one gets family to take care of. so the AI would offer these guys making a technically average stuff, guess, with the AI development, more or less of the same level they'd come up themselves but just with a quick prompt instead of hours of starring in their DAWs. Believe me a lot of them still believe in short cuts and want everything right now, so they'll use AI and generate dozens of tracks and will spam them to dozens of labels.

Essentially it will lead to label demo emails becoming obsolete and each label will tend only to keep working with the artist that already proven himself for the label with previous releases. That's already happening though for different reasons.
I mean I believe in shortcuts for the past year I used a ton of samples way more than when I started. But AI seems a bit cheat-y. I would be ok with using AI for sampling or even making samples. I do love playing with synths and twisting knobs (even if they are virtual ones). Still seems it will impact more purist producers I think.

I don't think I have the right to say anything, I've been using AI to make album/song covers for almost an year. Mostly this one:


And here is the song in question, the cover was done in a minute or two from a text prompt. Many people do not realise the impact AI had on many artistical jobs. In my case I wouldn't go to graphic designer anyways since I am not making a dime from music atm. Just loosing a ton of money and time I guess :)

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@nightslapper here is the AI visual artist I mentioned before. I find his short animations absoloutely beautiful. It shows that not all AI output art the current level has to feel soulless/generic... although judging by some comments so people still think so. To me this is lovely.


 
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@nightslapper here is the AI visual artist I mentioned before. I find his short animations absoloutely beautiful. It shows that not all AI output art the current level has to feel soulless/generic... although judging by some comments so people still think so. To me this is lovely.


this is significantly above the average and isn't cringe, that's true. however It still bugs me calling an AI service user an artist, sorry. only in a metaphorical sense like we're all artists and all we do is art :)
 

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its lovely..

goes to show that ultimatly its not the tool, but the wielder.
 

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I've spent the afternoon playing with udio.com and eventually came up with the bellow two results. The hardest part at the moment is to generate something that is coherent from start to finish, but I'm fairly pleased with the results so far.


 
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I've spent the afternoon playing with udio.com and eventually came up with the bellow two results. The hardest part at the moment is to generate something that is coherent from start to finish, but I'm fairly pleased with the results so far.



If I heard these on ASOT I would have no idea they were AI, just more of the same of that subgenre, a la Darren Tate perhaps. Hard to believe AI is already getting this good in 2024. While the implications are significant, I am curious to see how this type of tool could be worked in to a DAW workflow, similar to the way Photoshop has generative fill. If the AI could actually create pieces of a track using your actual plugins, or helping you figure out a specific sound, that would be really useful. Would help me anyway get over my technical shortcomings and allow me to express ideas that currently reside only in my head.

But yeah, if there is too much music coming out now, just wait. AI floodgates are months away from cracking wide open. Maybe at least the music won't largely suck?
 

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however It still bugs me calling an AI service user an artist

Is it art if it makes us feel beauty and something on the inside? Is it in the rules in art that it must be made with a degree of effort in order to be classed as such? If AI makes a track that gives you goosebumps would you not consider it a form of art?
 

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yeah...personally it reminds me a bit of the discussions i had with my cousin in law 20 years back with him going:

"but they don't even play anything... all they do is push buttons behind a computer -> therefor trance producers shouldn't be called artists, they're button pushers."
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...And then you sit him in front of your DAW for an hour and they can't even come up with something worse then a casio keyboard preset.

anyone can demo AI-cook up something random and call it "art" but the fact of the matter is that proper prompting of AI tools, combination of said tools, and within (strict) guidelines and demands from say: a clients wishlist, let alone editing a lot of stuff later..requires creativity, know-how and a lot of out of the box thinking.