AI, procedural generation and other new music technologies - What does the future of music hold?

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Mellow Sonic posted this experiment
I got some wrong, and also my favorite track was an AI one. We're already at the point where short samples are indistinguishable from human vs AI, not sure how there are doubters on AI creating decent music...? It's already happening and we're only on the beta version of the software and already impressive.

Here's an AI trance track I experimented with yesterday. Honestly the vibe is quite nice, I would 100% be intrigued about this as a real track if done by a professional. The melody it uses is pretty mediocre, but would be nice as a secondary build melody. Seems impossible to create any building and diversity using the current extension features.

 

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I’m not a fan of these developments. If anyone thinks this technology is going to be good for music then you are mad. You think we have a problem with over saturation of shit today then just wait until every person on earth can make music in an afternoon. And not just any music, but but the most generic outputs possible, like a conveyer belt. The listeners who already try to pay as little as possible to listen to music will now be splitting that pie with Ai tracks that don’t require payment, so an already starved industry becomes even more baron. Bad news all round.
 

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Sure, or at the very least generate a template output, get the components and work that out yourself. But that kind off proves my point doesn't it? to genuinly make something non generic/chaotic and to your (and/or everyelse's liking) you have to be damn well good at prompting and/or "steering" said AI.

So I agree that for now AI won't be replacing a producer any time soon but by the time it does, the skillsets needed to get a piece of work out of it, especially like you mentioned on the detail level, will be what cuts the weed from the chaff, artist wise.
I made something that might be featured on ASOT

 

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I’m not a fan of these developments. If anyone thinks this technology is going to be good for music then you are mad. You think we have a problem with over saturation of shit today then just wait until every person on earth can make music in an afternoon. And not just any music, but but the most generic outputs possible, like a conveyer belt. The listeners who already try to pay as little as possible to listen to music will now be splitting that pie with Ai tracks that don’t require payment, so an already starved industry becomes even more baron. Bad news all round.
Well, see it like this way. Back in 50's - 80's and 90's everyone wanted a guitar or be a rock star or be in bands or have a synthesiser so a lot of people did jump on the bandwagon.
 

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That was a good track. If it was a finished track it would be my TOTY contender lol

I prompted several tracks, but it seems the result is random. I prompted a prog breaks drum for this but ended up sounding like what Oprofessionell would produce. If I were a French House producer, I would generate a random disco track and sample the hell out of it.
 

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I’ll buy it, if you manage to actually get it played on ASOT 👍
My friend is asking for the full version :D
Yes, I am working on it. I am making various versions of the tracks as well. This one I added my own lyrics in it but I wanted to see if I could recreate the feeling or close to Karen Overton - Your Loving Arms Udio | Celestial Voyage ext v2.1.2 by Progrez | AI Music Generator - Official Website

Came up with this melodic track something with a melody. I think it needs a lot of work Udio | Celestial Voyage ext v2.1 by Progrez | AI Music Generator - Official Website

Udio | Analog Odyssey by Progrez | AI Music Generator - Official Website <--- Don't know this reminds me a bit of paul oakenfold.

 
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That was a good track. If it was a finished track it would be my TOTY contender lol

Better get finishing it then! I found that 80% of my attempts for trance sound were no that remarkable, so was nice when this one popped up
 

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I got some wrong, and also my favorite track was an AI one. We're already at the point where short samples are indistinguishable from human vs AI, not sure how there are doubters on AI creating decent music...? It's already happening and we're only on the beta version of the software and already impressive.

Here's an AI trance track I experimented with yesterday. Honestly the vibe is quite nice, I would 100% be intrigued about this as a real track if done by a professional. The melody it uses is pretty mediocre, but would be nice as a secondary build melody. Seems impossible to create any building and diversity using the current extension features.

Nice, those pads are really nice! I can't believe we (AI) can come up better tunes than our childhood heroes. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Better get finishing it then! I found that 80% of my attempts for trance sound were no that remarkable, so was nice when this one popped up
Isn't that how it works in real life? Where a lot of productions or projects get shelved or binned because they are not good.
 
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I’m not a fan of these developments. If anyone thinks this technology is going to be good for music then you are mad.

I’m inclined to feel the same way, especially about the genericness issue you mentioned. If you train AI on only things that exist prior, and taking into consideration that generic and popular music is the most prevalent type of music, we can only assume the AI has a tendency towards leaning the same way. I’m guessing it would struggle creating a new genre too. Everything is a reference to something prior for it.
 

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I’m inclined to feel the same way, especially about the genericness issue you mentioned. If you train AI on only things that exist prior, and taking into consideration that generic and popular music is the most prevalent type of music, we can only assume the AI has a tendency towards leaning the same way. I’m guessing it would struggle creating a new genre too. Everything is a reference to something prior for it.
Yes but then again, so is virtually all music.

there is no such thing as a blank slate original. Unless you lock an artist up from birth without any prior exposure to music and have him create a piece in total isolation, your always going to end up with something that is, at the very least, partially copied, mutated and build up on precedents.
 
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Yes but then again, so is virtually all music.

there is no such thing as a blank slate original. Unless you lock an artist up from birth without any prior exposure to music and have him create a piece in total isolation, your always going to end up with something that is, at the very least, partially copied, mutated and build up on precedents.

So....thats where the skill and talents that some producers have, that have their 'own' sound and people recognise theyre tracks straight away....even though the productions are built on sound samples readily available to everyone. Of course, 90% of other producers just sound generic and you cant tell who they are by listening to their tracks...thats where the true individual artists come through the crowd.
 

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Yes but then again, so is virtually all music.

there is no such thing as a blank slate original. Unless you lock an artist up from birth without any prior exposure to music and have him create a piece in total isolation, your always going to end up with something that is, at the very least, partially copied, mutated and build up on precedents.
sounds about right, I once read some philosophical/scientific article stating that 'normal' human brain can only create something based (consciously or subconsciously) on the experience/data it receives from one's sense organs, which is why a number of innovators aka 'geniuses' no matter which art you take, were having significant mental issues
 

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So....thats where the skill and talents that some producers have, that have their 'own' sound and people recognise theyre tracks straight away....even though the productions are built on sound samples readily available to everyone. Of course, 90% of other producers just sound generic and you cant tell who they are by listening to their tracks...thats where the true individual artists come through the crowd.
yeah I agree, which is again why i'm not all that affraid of AI "taking over everything"

now admitted, AI is a strange and novel phenomenon compared to the rest but when you scroll through the pages of history..you can sort of decern a red-thread throughout every single debate surrounding a new technology.

Printing Press -> bad idea! machines taking over Gods work? heresy.
Tractor -> bring the Sabots! there will be no manual labor for us workers anymore!
Vinyl -> Musicians will go extinct!
Cars -> You'll never see a horse on the street again!
Computers -> Books will be gone in the classroom within 10 years!
Video Games -> Children will en-masse go murderous and/or behave like robots.
AI -> Artists will cease to exist and all art and music will be replaced by our digital overlords and you won't be able to tell the difference!

etc.

Humans have a tendency to: 1, be fearfull when it comes to new tech overall, which is I think a good thing, better safe then sorry and all that.

2 be very bad at predicting the future based on that.

Just bear in mind that literally every leap in tech has been met with the same critique...and non of it came to fruition the way it was predicted.
 

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I am literally blown away by what Udio is capable of. Way better than Suno. Can’t even imagine what is coming next. I expect future AI tools will give the user more control, but I expect they will also come at a more expensive subscription.

I’ve been listening to the songs you guys have generated and on the iPad they sound indistinguishable from the real thing. Planning to do a playlist with them to see how they sound like in the car.

I will leave something here too:
 
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Holy shit that Udio software is ridiculous. Those trance tracks shared would convince me its made from humans if I didn't know. If I heard an ID snippet sample of that in a mix I would be eagerly awaiting it's release. I admit that I never believed AI would make be capable of making good music, but seems i've been proven wrong. I tip my hat.
 

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Holy shit that Udio software is ridiculous. Those trance tracks shared would convince me its made from humans if I didn't know. If I heard an ID snippet sample of that in a mix I would be eagerly awaiting it's release. I admit that I never believed AI would make be capable of making good music, but seems i've been proven wrong. I tip my hat.
It created this song for me with lyrics written by me. A non trance track a swing/jazz track. The only downside with Udio that it's limited to female vocals it can't do male vocals.