AI, procedural generation and other new music technologies - What does the future of music hold?

[LostLegend]

On a different note, the speed at which the quality of AI stem separation is improving is great for a serial bootlegger like me.
Still not perfect but results are great for vocal extraction and nowhere near the amount of artifacts that there were previously.

As I've been saying, AI's influence in music is a double edged sword. As much as people will focus on the negatives (and we should not ignore them) AI as a tool has amazing potential.

 

[Progrez]

I created this 80s track

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[nightslapper]

I created this 80s track

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broken link mate

just curious what was your prompt for it anyway?

 

[marvas]

I agree with LostLegend's statement about the potential, it's very fun for me to generate and try to make sense of a song. I wonder where we will be in 3 years, how far will this develeop and if it will allow for more control from the user side.

I have a feeling it will come with expensive subscriptions and will be mostly affordable only for the established record labels. The big guys will buy the small guys in no time.

Here's something new:

 

[Magdelayna]

Ive just finished an original track - original melody,all made from scratch - theres NO way id get that same satisfaction from using any of these AI programs to make a track,and i suppose its a question of that. Some people will be fine with it and churning out hundreds of tracks haha.

 

[marvas]

 

[Progrez]

broken link mate

just curious what was your prompt for it anyway?

Ive just finished an original track - original melody,all made from scratch - theres NO way id get that same satisfaction from using any of these AI programs to make a track,and i suppose its a question of that. Some people will be fine with it and churning out hundreds of tracks haha.

A chef does not reveal his secrets.

I have created 4 different tracks and not 800 tracks.

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[nightslapper]

A chef does not reveal his secrets.

chef also does not order dishes somewhere else and serve em as what he cooked himself

my point is that it's most likely something extremely abstract, without specific tempo, key, scale, whatever

you seem to be very excited 'creating' tracks in this manner, so you definitely wanted to create your own music but never went deep with any DAW, why? if you like this wannabe way, you will be all orgasmic from creating something by yourself for real

 

[Manofearth]

If art is defined by something that evokes emotion the an AI song that is loved by someone is art. However if skill and effort are part of the definition of art then an AI song is not really art, because the effort/skil is too low. If skill and effort is mandatory in order for it to qualify then what precisely is the threshold (who can answer me?). Where is the line we draw to say enough effort has been given?

Probing the logic further that skill and effort is fundamental to the defintion of art, then it is fair to say the degree of skill is also relative to the value. If so an 80 piece orchestra is 'better' art than a 4 piece band, which in turn is better than a 1 man DJ, as the cumulative effort and skill is less. Equally Da Vinci who spends 1000 hours on a painting vs Campbell who screen prints soup cans are also not viewed equally. But what if I get more emotion from the soup can than the Mona Lisa? The answer is that art is valued in the eye of the beholder, regardless of effort, and this has always been the case.

 

[Jetflag]

However if skill and effort are part of the definition of art then an AI song

..is still art

because there is skill and effort involved, however minimal

I think the proof in the pudding is something nightslapper eluded too. How directed v random is it? If I gave an AI artist a strict list of demands and minor changes down the line to the melody down to the notes say.. can he/she still pull off complying? Or will there be a resort too “that’s just the limit of the app”.

 

[Mosquito]

How directed v random is it? If I gave an AI artist a strict list of demands and minor changes down the line to the melody down to the notes say.. can he/she still pull off complying? Or will there be a resort too “that’s just the limit of the app”.

From my experience of generating images, AI is still VERY bad at following detailed instructions. It operates in very broad strokes, and if you've got a very precise original idea in mind, it'll simply ignore most of what you've described in favor of what it "knows".

AI "artists" who excitedly claim that AI drew exactly what they wanted and how they wanted, probably just wanted a sexy anime girl or something. Meaning, they think in cliches and templates, so of course they're perfectly happy with formulaic "content".

And considering that trance is itself often very formulaic, many of the "orthodox" trance fans will probably be extremely happy about being able to generate hundreds of "tuvans" and "adagios"... well, until these become so ubiquitous that they'll fail to produce any sort of an emotional response.

 

[Recharge]

Let me interject with this one which is old but gold.

For some reason I can't find the original video.

Edit: found it

 

[Dmoore]

If AI can facilitate or create more golden year trance music then I am open to it. I would prefer more Enigma States, but if thats not going to happen then let the robots make it. Good music is good music. Pat on the back to humanity for making a program that has the power to do these things.

 

[Mosquito]

If AI can facilitate or create more golden year trance music then I am open to it. I would prefer more Enigma States, but if thats not going to happen then let the robots make it. Good music is good music. Pat on the back to humanity for making a program that has the power to do these things.

I might be in the minority, but the fact that a living human made a piece of art that I enjoy is important to me. That they felt something, or wanted to communicate something to other people. That the wrinkles, and quirks, and slight imperfections are somewhat intentional, or at least human-made, and not just random bugs of digital technology.

I know music lovers quite often just think of music as a way to experience controlled emotions, a sort of "emotion machine" if you will, and if you share that worldview, then you'll probably be happy with any "good music" that generative AI produces. But I've always viewed art as something that (and I'm sorry for the melodramatics) lets me crack a door to another person's mind open.

A part of Van Gogh's legacy is his biography, for example. It doesn't even need to be tragic, though. Just the fact of experiencing the way another human thinks, or feels, or enjoys something is what attracts me to different forms of art.

Do I miss Vincent de Moor? You bet I do. Would I be excited for more Vincent de Moor tracks? I sure would. But only if they're really Vincent de Moor tracks and not an AI imitation. Even a very good one (which is not actually that difficult).

 

[nightslapper]

I might be in the minority, but the fact that a living human made a piece of art that I enjoy is important to me. That they felt something, or wanted to communicate something to other people. That the wrinkles, and quirks, and slight imperfections are somewhat intentional, or at least human-made, and not just random bugs of digital technology.

I know music lovers quite often just think of music as a way to experience controlled emotions, a sort of "emotion machine" if you will, and if you share that worldview, then you'll probably be happy with any "good music" that generative AI produces. But I've always viewed art as something that (and I'm sorry for the melodramatics) lets me crack a door to another person's mind open.

A part of Van Gogh's legacy is his biography, for example. It doesn't even need to be tragic, though. Just the fact of experiencing the way another human thinks, or feels, or enjoys something is what attracts me to different forms of art.

Do I miss Vincent de Moor? You bet I do. Would I be excited for more Vincent de Moor tracks? I sure would. But only if they're really Vincent de Moor tracks and not an AI imitation. Even a very good one (which is not actually that difficult).

not only the having an artist behind the art part of it that's important, but also rational consuming that keeps the joy of hearing an amazing record. imagine AI that theoretically give you endless amount of different (as non-identical) amazing tracks based on your taste preferences, you'll get bored listening to those in a couple of days. as if you'd eat cake three times a day, every day.

however, for the moment AI could only be responsible for an extra pollution and oversaturation of the music scene with half-arsed cheap product, like we don't have that enough made by hoomans

 

[Progrez]

chef also does not order dishes somewhere else and serve em as what he cooked himself

my point is that it's most likely something extremely abstract, without specific tempo, key, scale, whatever

you seem to be very excited 'creating' tracks in this manner, so you definitely wanted to create your own music but never went deep with any DAW, why? if you like this wannabe way, you will be all orgasmic from creating something by yourself for real

I don't know where you came up with the assumption that I was excited by it. I have purchased a DAW Program - Native instrument but the stuff I am creating is nowhere near as good at the moment and plus I want to use more analogue synths which will eventually come to fruition and once I get a better paying job. I am currently earning minimum wage here so I can't afford the equipment that I want to make the type of music that I want to create. There is nothing wrong with experimenting with AI it's nothing more than experimenting.

 

[Progrez]

https://soundcloud.com/amay-434239923%2Finto-the-night%2Fs-J5pDioACswA
A vocal euro trancer sample .

 

[Aquarium]

A vocal euro trancer sample

It pains me to say it but this sounds better than 90% of trance made today. Simply put, it just sounds nice, whether that’s the percussion or the bass. It feels balanced and warm, but punchy and the melody is bittersweet. It reminds me of when trance was good.

The vocals are really bad though and immediately identifiable as AI. But even so the actual tone of the voice is rather pleasant and nostalgic, even if the cadence and words is bad. If a professional trance singer sounded like that I would likely be into it. Do you have an instrumental version?

AI could be a great tool for producers looking for inspiration. If I had the capability to take a 20 second sample like this and turn it into a full track I would.

 

[Progrez]

It pains me to say it but this sounds better than 90% of trance made today. Simply put, it just sounds nice, whether that’s the percussion or the bass. It feels balanced and warm, but punchy and the melody is bittersweet. It reminds me of when trance was good.

The vocals are really bad though and immediately identifiable as AI. But even so the actual tone of the voice is rather pleasant and nostalgic, even if the cadence and words is bad. If a professional trance singer sounded like that I would likely be into it. Do you have an instrumental version?

AI could be a great tool for producers looking for inspiration. If I had the capability to take a 20 second sample like this and turn it into a full track I would.

I can make one if you like I was going to make an instrumental mix. The vocals I was going for a Paul Oakenfold - Hypnotised feel to it.

For me it doesn't sound good without the reverb vocals.

 

[Magdelayna]

Jorn van Deynhoven just posted a 'worst trance releases' chart on Beatport haha - i bet some of these are AI tracks!

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