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[Jetflag]

The invasion from Russia is still illegal and unnecessary. Ukraine is nothing but a proxy between two super powers who are led by egotistical tyrants and military influence. There are only two reasons for this war. Weaken Russia and fill the pockets of military contractors, who are about to receive 13 billion from US tax payers.

there's a 3e reason:

Large gas-pockets,, some recently discovered at around 2010 in Ukraine, are with current technology now accesible via fracking. Areas such as the Karkhiv, donbass, luhansk and crimea area.

If controlled, this would either make europe all but independent from Russia in terms of gas, or it would make Russia the dominant natural-gas supplier for the next 30 years.

And my did that peak russia's interrest.
And low and behold was Ukraine all of a sudden a "part of the European family", where they wouln't touch it with a 10 foot pole before that as "a heavily corrupt post soviet state"

 

[dmgtz96]

He is still not his buddy

funding NATO’s expansion/ the war in Ukraine is demonstrably not in the USA’s best interest.

threathing óther NATO countries to holdup their own trousers is.

Trump is using him, he’s not being “his buddy”

Why is threatening other countries in NATO in the US' best interest? So the US isn't left holding the bag to fund the Russia-Ukraine war?

 

[Jetflag]

Why is threatening other countries in NATO in the US' best interest? So the US isn't left holding the bag to fund the Russia-Ukraine war?

Yes, spot on.

you, the US, pretty much fund the entire NATO project, whereas my country can’t even muster the obligatory 2% of the defense criteria.

your country has pressing problems.
- crap infrastructure
- inequality
- a border that is leaking like a basket
- police that shoot first and ask questions later
- massive inflation

if other NATO countries pick up a larger share of the overall defense, then not only is that healthier for the alliance itself in terms of reciprocal fairness but it opens up swathes of money (that won’t need to be printed) for the US and íts problems.

100% agreed with trump here. Time to stop relying on sugar daddy USA’s militairy (and by extend not get pulled into illegal wars with them because no choice et al!) and do our part, and time for you to get your house in order before taking on the hegemonic mantle of “world saviour”

 

[dmgtz96]

Yes, spot on.

you, the US, pretty much fund the entire NATO project, whereas my country can’t even muster the obligatory 2% of the defense criteria.

your country has pressing problems.
- crap infrastructure
- inequality
- a border that is leaking like a basket
- police that shoot first and ask questions later
- massive inflation

if other NATO countries pick up a larger share of the overall defense, then not only is that healthier for the alliance itself in terms of reciprocal fairness but it opens up swathes of money (that won’t need to be printed) for the US and íts problems.

100% agreed with trump here. Time to stop relying on sugar daddy USA’s militairy (and by extend not get pulled into illegal wars with them because no choice et al!) and do our part, and time for you to get your house in order before taking on the hegemonic mantle of “world saviour”

I agree in principle with this, but I still disagree with Trump's statement about letting Russia do whatever they want. That just sounds dangerous.

 

[Jetflag]

I agree in principle with this, but I still disagree with Trump's statement about letting Russia do whatever they want. That just sounds dangerous.

Sure...and just to ease your mind a bit..

Look, its Trump we're talking about here ey? He's a massive jabbermouth and buffoon when it comes to these pre-election rallies. The man loves his showbusiness, spouting al sorts of non-sense just to rally the crowd.. We've seen this before, and so has Vlad.

When the man is actually in office he is waay more toned down and pragmatic in the sense of real politik foreign militairy intervention. Putin knows this, as evidenced by him staying in his kennel when Trump was in office (as opposed to any other president before and after him i might add). Despite the US Drone striking an Iranian Terrorist (Iran being a very close ally to Russia) on their very own soil

Putin is not going to attack NATO countries.
1, he can't afford it, especially with Sweden and finland recently joining 2, Trump has to actually pull out first before he can just "let" Putin go full Hitler mode, which he simply isn't going to get through the senate even if thats majority rep now.

 

[Progrez]

Fuck $355 million dollars Trump has to pay that's ridiculous. I am surprised by the 3 year ban in NY. I think they might push 5-10 year ban in the appeal.

 

[mr.guse]

Oh, they're discussing what a bad Putin is again) And again, the nonsense about his lies in the interview with Tucker. The fact that no one has been able to clearly explain why Putin is lying confirms the truthfulness of his words. And you continue to believe the propaganda, because there is only one truth - yours, isn't it?

 

[Jetflag]

reflect/consider the following:

- you specifically made an account,
- on an itty pitty petite avangarde forum focused around trance music...
- so you could, once a year... defend Vladimir Putin... and solely only do that.

of all the things you could have done in service for the Great Leader and Glorious Russian State....this is what you chose to do.

ты стоишь как пень с глазами

 

[Jetflag]

@dmgtz96

check this one out if you like. I for one give it a spot on target level Vindicare.

 

[dmgtz96]

Fuck $355 million dollars Trump has to pay that's ridiculous. I am surprised by the 3 year ban in NY. I think they might push 5-10 year ban in the appeal.

It's ridiculous that he has gotten away with fraud for so long. I don't think $355 million is enough for the damage he has caused through his business "ventures "

 

[dmgtz96]

@dmgtz96

check this one out if you like. I for one give it a spot on target level Vindicare.

We agree on some things, but I reject the premise that Tucker Carlson is part of the "woke right," or that the "woke right" even exists. The guy from that interview basically coined the term...
"Wokeness" refers to being aware of the systemic issues (I can see you rolling your eyes already) that cause certain demographics to struggle in life (financially, educationally, etc.) disproportionately compared to demographics that don't face those same systemic issues. It's being aware of social injustice and racial discrimination at a society-level, not necessarily at an individual level.
Nowadays, overt racism one-to-one is rare, which is why social justice now focuses on *systems* and general attitudes like microaggressions in life and in the workplace. There is no right-wing equivalent. Therefore, "woke right" makes no sense.

 

[Jetflag]

On the contrary, it makes perfect sense given where “woke” is coming from. I’m actually surprised someone didn’t coin the term sooner.

"Wokeness" refers to being aware of the systemic issues (I can see you rolling your eyes already) that cause certain demographics to struggle in life (financially, educationally, etc.)....

I don’t disagree with that definition of woke m8…

The problem with wokeism, (as part of applied-postmodernism), is that it’s completely dependent on individual/group perception and simultaneously always valid therein, (which is why for instance woke “experts” always refer to things like “ lived experiences”) as well as being semantically self-contained.

Given that, it thus becomes an arbitrary/personal/tribal/ or political matter when choosing the specific social injustice issue, or demographic effected thereby, as being sacrosanct or most important. Which, in turn, is also where plenty of valid “Woke” right-wing equivalents come from when taken…

...disproportionately compared to demographics that don't face those same systemic issues. It's being aware of social injustice and racial discrimination at a society-level, not necessarily at an individual level...

..In to account, for example:

- white-male truckers. A demonstrable 2% work-minority in America, demonstrably disproportionately consisting of that, and demonstrably disproportionately more likely to die or be injured then most other professions.

- Christian minorities in sharia-governed countries,

- Conscientious vax-objectors in light of increasingly authoritarian governments in cahoots with big pharma etc.


If you give any of those examples of social injustice, to a random "traditional left-wing "woke acolyte.. the responds you will get will either be:

• The Acolyte will shift the goalpost (for instance make the claim that giving more power to its preferred demographic of choice will somehow also solve that problem too)
• the Acolyte dismisses the topic as irrelevant to others of his or her choosing.
• the acolyte will simply proclaim “Heresy” (that’s a dangerous rightwing nazi MRA etc. topic! You should go near it! etc.)
  

...Which is precisely the responds you would expect. Given as the claim by the right-wing-wokie cannot be refuted, rebuffed, disproven or logically given hierarchical priority in the same philosophical framework.


So, I don’t “roll my eyes” at the definition you give of Woke and/or woke thinking @dmgtz96. I roll my eyes at the fact that you still don’t seem to seem grasp the arbitrary and tribal dependent nature concerning the hierarchy

I also roll my eyes at how the right in general has been so utterly sluggish and slow on catching up with that.. the fact that Kisin just coined the term, in a time that woke is more of a mocking-slur then a compliment colloquially, speaks bookmarks.

 

[dmgtz96]

On the contrary, it makes perfect sense given where “woke” is coming from. I’m actually surprised someone didn’t coin the term sooner.


I don’t disagree with that definition of woke m8…

The problem with wokeism, (as part of applied-postmodernism), is that it’s completely dependent on individual/group perception and simultaneously always valid therein, (which is why for instance woke “experts” always refer to things like “ lived experiences”) as well as being semantically self-contained.

Given that, it thus becomes an arbitrary/personal/tribal/ or political matter when choosing the specific social injustice issue, or demographic effected thereby, as being sacrosanct or most important. Which, in turn, is also where plenty of valid “Woke” right-wing equivalents come from when taken…



..In to account, for example:

- white-male truckers. A demonstrable 2% work-minority in America, demonstrably disproportionately consisting of that, and demonstrably disproportionately more likely to die or be injured then most other professions.

- Christian minorities in sharia-governed countries,

- Conscientious vax-objectors in light of increasingly authoritarian governments in cahoots with big pharma etc.


If you give any of those examples of social injustice, to a random "traditional left-wing "woke acolyte.. the responds you will get will either be:

• The Acolyte will shift the goalpost (for instance make the claim that giving more power to its preferred demographic of choice will somehow also solve that problem too)
• the Acolyte dismisses the topic as irrelevant to others of his or her choosing.
• the acolyte will simply proclaim “Heresy” (that’s a dangerous rightwing nazi MRA etc. topic! You should go near it! etc.)

...Which is precisely the responds you would expect. Given as the claim by the right-wing-wokie cannot be refuted, rebuffed, disproven or logically given hierarchical priority in the same philosophical framework.


So, I don’t “roll my eyes” at the definition you give of Woke and/or woke thinking @dmgtz96. I roll my eyes at the fact that you still don’t seem to seem grasp the arbitrary and tribal dependent nature concerning the hierarchy

I also roll my eyes at how the right in general has been so utterly sluggish and slow on catching up with that.. the fact that Kisin just coined the term, in a time that woke is more of a mocking-slur then a compliment colloquially, speaks bookmarks.

Of the examples you gave, #1 and #3 aren't relevant (as you predicted from the 2nd acolyte exampl,e), since professions and anti-vaxx beliefs are *not* protected classes. Perhaps "demographics" in my original comment was too broad.
That, and liberals/leftists are more likely to advocate for better working conditions and pay for those truckers, whatever race they may be.

The only relevant example you gave is Christian minorities in sharia law countries. Which is true. In the US, Christians of many denominations have quite a lot of freedom. They're not free from criticism, especially when they push for bigoted laws against other protected classes... which is why they get demonized a lot... but no one is pointing a gun at them and forcing them to quit their religion.

 

[Jetflag]

Of the examples you gave, #1 and #3 aren't relevant (as you predicted from the 2nd acolyte exampl,e), since professions and anti-vaxx beliefs are *not* protected classes. Perhaps "demographics" in my original comment was too broad.
That, and liberals/leftists are more likely to advocate for better working conditions and pay for those truckers, whatever race they may be.

The only relevant example you gave is Christian minorities in sharia law countries. Which is true. In the US, Christians of many denominations have quite a lot of freedom. They're not free from criticism, especially when they push for bigoted laws against other protected classes... which is why they get demonized a lot... but no one is pointing a gun at them and forcing them to quit their religion.

but they are valid examples of social injustice, which woke seeks out to tackle. Woke ideology does not limit itself to only race, sex and/or protected classes. it seeks out and tries to tackle all valid or invalid forms of what it percieves as inequalities or injustices.

Had it not done so, then the myth of the feminist earnings gap would not persist nor be adressed ad nauseum, as opposed to the aforemention work-death-gap, both cases aren't about profession(s) but how they affect wellbeing/fairness of *insert sex

if you wish to have an example of a protected class case/subject: The right, (in contrast to the Left) also concerns itself with for instance open discrimination of caucasian and asian men in for instance universy research programs. Being not white, male or able-bodied was, for instance a requirement for the University of British Columbia’s 2022 research chair job postings in food science and quantum computing.

 

[Progrez]

Man, Putin's government is savage. She just donated $50 to charity.

 

[Jetflag]

Man, Putin's government is savage. She just donated $50 to charity.

utterly disgusting

 

[dmgtz96]

but they are valid examples of social injustice, which woke seeks out to tackle. Woke ideology does not limit itself to only race, sex and/or protected classes. it seeks out and tries to tackle all valid or invalid forms of what it percieves as inequalities or injustices.

Had it not done so, then the myth of the feminist earnings gap would not persist nor be adressed ad nauseum, as opposed to the aforemention work-death-gap, both cases aren't about profession(s) but how they affect wellbeing/fairness of *insert sex

if you wish to have an example of a protected class case/subject: The right, (in contrast to the Left) also concerns itself with for instance open discrimination of caucasian and asian men in for instance universy research programs. Being not white, male or able-bodied was, for instance a requirement for the University of British Columbia’s 2022 research chair job postings in food science and quantum computing.

Professions aren't protected classes. People generally don't have a grudge against "white male truckers" unless they're the morons who engage in trucker freedom convoys. It is not a valid example of social injustice.
I can't comment on the men vs women earnings gap. I do agree that the issue about men's working conditions in dangerous jobs is being largely unaddressed, other than maybe by the right who *do* talk about it but nevertheless wouldn't really push policies to address the issue. The right in the US fear-monger a lot, but they're not known for solid political platforms that improve the lives of their constituents unless you're very, very rich.

That job posting is really bad and shouldn't have been released. If diversity & inclusion is what you want... I would argue that, given two similarly qualified candidates: one who happens to be white and one who happens to be a minority, I would lean toward the white candidate *if* such a candidate has a much better record of leadership in organizations of diversity and inclusion, and who has mentored minority candidates to help them succeed as young scientists. That would be preferable versus a minority candidate who never really took leadership within diversity & inclusion organizations, who never mentored anyone, and whose academic career is tailored toward his own professional development / self-interest instead of developing young scientists. At the end of the day, candidate 1 is just more qualified to *be* a tenure-track professor, never mind a chair, and candidate 2 would be better off working in industry IMO.

Candidate 2 was actually me when I was applying for PhD schools - I didn't have a track record of mentorship or leadership positions in DE&I, so I didn't get into schools that looked specifically for that (i.e. Michigan). I ended up working in industry, lol
Edit: and I do accept that I just wasn't a great fit for the school, compared to the candidates who actually got in.

 

[dmgtz96]

Man, Putin's government is savage. She just donated $50 to charity.

utterly disgusting

Russia is peak "fuck around and find out," just like that family that moved from the USA to Russia and lost all their cash savings in the process.

 

[Progrez]

It's ridiculous that he has gotten away with fraud for so long. I don't think $355 million is enough for the damage he has caused through his business "ventures "

Personally, I think that's a sizeable chunk though because he lives in Florida now and hardly does any business in New York. I heard that people are leaving New York in droves because there is a large homeliness and poverty, crime and job losses and people stealing things from Pharmacies forcing them to close down because they can't keep up with the constant looting happening similar to what's happening in California. Over here in Queensland a similar thing is happening but they get put out on bail so easily here that the cops are very lenient.

Russia is peak "fuck around and find out," just like that family that moved from the USA to Russia and lost all their cash savings in the process.

Didn't know about the family lost all of their cash savings. I think it's ridiculous and to make it worse she is facing 20 years in Jail which is just ridiculous. This is similar to thing like you can't even breathe oxygen anymore in Russia otherwise anything incorrectly perceived wrongly you will put to jail.

 

[dmgtz96]

Personally, I think that's a sizeable chunk though because he lives in Florida now and hardly does any business in New York. I heard that people are leaving New York in droves because there is a large homeliness and poverty, crime and job losses and people stealing things from Pharmacies forcing them to close down because they can't keep up with the constant looting happening similar to what's happening in California. Over here in Queensland a similar thing is happening but they get put out on bail so easily here that the cops are very lenient.


Didn't know about the family lost all of their cash savings. I think it's ridiculous and to make it worse she is facing 20 years in Jail which is just ridiculous. This is similar to thing like you can't even breathe oxygen anymore in Russia otherwise anything incorrectly perceived wrongly you will put to jail.

Doesn't matter if he hardly does business in NY. His companies have been engaging in fraud for decades. His image of a "wealthy billionaire" was built off the backs of all the contractors and companies that never received payment for work performed for Trump's organization, and of all the honest taxpayers who paid their fair share of taxes while this guy evaded taxes as much as possible.

His wealth needs to go and needs to be seized by the state. He needs to go to the grave penniless in retribution for all the people he has screwed over his entire life.

(Edited to make it sound more poetic.)