Conservative or liberal (politics)

[dmgtz96]

I don't even know where to put this lmao but I watched it and it reminded me of our conversation @jetflag

 

[Jetflag]

I don't even know where to put this lmao but I watched it and it reminded me of our conversation @jetflag

Totally missed this one and I’m subscribed to them heh.

love the bee, cheers for this

 

[dmgtz96]

Totally missed this one and I’m subscribed to them heh.

love the bee, cheers for this

I have to admit that it did make me lol
In 2022 in most of the world (esp. in the West) there are waaaay more important things to care about than the patriarchy, so that video is spot on

 

[Jetflag]

@dmgtz96

speaking of which, how's the mood concerning the midterms over there?

 

[dmgtz96]

@dmgtz96

speaking of which, how's the mood concerning the midterms over there?

I haven't really seen much fanfare about it, to be honest. I've seen on TV, but basically no one talks about the midterm election or the candidates

 

[dmgtz96]

America's young have spoken, and we are primarily liberal.
That's not going to change. If you're 18-29 and conservative you either grew up with a silver spoon or never interacted much with people of different (religious/racial/sexual) backgrounds.

 

[dmgtz96]

Relevant @jetflag

Personally as a (male) person of color I'm wary of white American women that are complete strangers to me

 

[Jetflag]

@dmgtz96 Impressive...

There's 1 truth, 1 falsehood and one lol, ok, moment for me all wrapped up in one post. ^

1: Truth, (white) women in the US/West are not an oppressed minority, there's no crime that affects them more then any other demographic.

2: Falsehood, The idea that as a minority in the US you must vote democrat to somehow make your cities and lives better is a demonstrable falsehood, more even so then the idea that minorities in the US are somehow supposed to be a homogenous group instead of individuals with their own ideas and wishes.

3: lol, ok, I’m sure the alt-right very much approve of you, a man of colour, not mingling too much with white American women m8.

I for one find race-tribaling, like that picture you posted, rather pukable. But that must be secret facist in me.

 

[dmgtz96]

@dmgtz96 Impressive...

There's 1 truth, 1 falsehood and one lol, ok, moment for me all wrapped up in one post. ^

1: Truth, (white) women in the US/West are not an oppressed minority, there's no crime that affects them more then any other demographic.

2: Falsehood, The idea that as a minority in the US you must vote democrat to somehow make your cities and lives better is a demonstrable falsehood, more even so then the idea that minorities in the US are somehow supposed to be a homogenous group instead of individuals with their own ideas and wishes.

3: lol, ok, I’m sure the alt-right very much approve of you, a man of colour, not mingling too much with white American women m8.

I for one find race-tribaling, like that picture you posted, rather pukable. But that must be secret facist in me.

The context of the photo is that someone tweeted, "if all the black men who voted had voted for Stacey Abrams..." When in reality white people (either gender) are the ones voting R. Latino men don't do much better tbh, half and half D/R.

My generation is likely liberal, but the faintest sight of religion and traditional family values are going to make me run away. I'll also be sus'd out by older (30+) white women if I don't already know them. After all, they do support candidates that want nothing more than to deport people who look like me.
I do wonder what an alt right person would say though lmao

 

[Jetflag]

The context of the photo is that someone tweeted, "if all the black men who voted had voted for Stacey Abrams..." When in reality white people (either gender) are the ones voting R. Latino men don't do much better tbh, half and half D/R.

ah.. Abrams is Georgia right?

My generation is likely liberal, but the faintest sight of religion and traditional family values are going to make me run away. I'll also be sus'd out by older (30+) white women if I don't already know them. After all, they do support candidates that want nothing more than to deport people who look like me.
I do wonder what an alt right person would say though lmao

Sure, but then again, most if not every (young) generation generally leans more towards idealist (so in your case liberal or socialist) values then their older counter parts. its when people get/grow older however they tend to change to a more realist (or conservative) stance though. I don't know your age but when I was 18 or so I actually used to be quite down with socialism and top down engineering of society... how things have changed lol. A friend of mine from Reno once came up with quite a nice adage: If you're young and not a socialist, you don't have a heart. If your old and still a socialist, you don't have a brain.

As for the alt right, well you'd have to ask one, but i'd say remember that what they want is an ethno state. So I'd guess they're down either way in the sense that:

1, you as a person of color not wanting to mingle with white women.
2, you as a person of color not being in favor of family or family structures for that matter, so likely no or very few children

The last part is actually a large part of what drove me away from the left over time and more onto the right side of the political spectrum.

 

[Progrez]

I like this

 

[Progrez]

Watch the british politics they truly give each a tongue lashing.

 

[dmgtz96]

ah.. Abrams is Georgia right?

Yep, she won 2 years ago but now she lost against Brian Kemp

Sure, but then again, most if not every (young) generation generally leans more towards idealist (so in your case liberal or socialist) values then their older counter parts. its when people get/grow older however they tend to change to a more realist (or conservative) stance though. I don't know your age but when I was 18 or so I actually used to be quite down with socialism and top down engineering of society... how things have changed lol. A friend of mine from Reno once came up with quite a nice adage: If you're young and not a socialist, you don't have a heart. If your old and still a socialist, you don't have a brain.

I've heard of that saying. I think, in the past, people became more conservative as they earned more money, acquired properties, and established families. Today the young don't really see themselves having any of those three, with:

runaway inflation destroying wages and corporations refusing to raise their workers' wages
real estate firms and investment/asset management companies buying up the available properties (ex. Blackrock), and real estate developers building overpriced "luxury" homes while entry-level homes are no longer built
raising children simply not being a possibility due to the above points ^

so, yup, none (or very few) of the young will turn conservative as they grow older, because there's nothing to conserve.

As for the alt right, well you'd have to ask one, but i'd say remember that what they want is an ethno state. So I'd guess they're down either way in the sense that:

1, you as a person of color not wanting to mingle with white women.
2, you as a person of color not being in favor of family or family structures for that matter, so likely no or very few children

The last part is actually a large part of what drove me away from the left over time and more onto the right side of the political spectrum.

It's odd how horseshoe theory works, huh?

 

[Jetflag]

I think, in the past, people became more conservative as they earned more money, acquired properties, and established families

That would have been true where it not that the rich v poor dichotomy has been around since, whenever (and much worse) and this is hardly the first housing or living crisis. Plus there isn't, if you take a look a things historically, that much of a voting trend difference in america, The pendulum seems to swing rather back & forth 50/50 e.a. I don't think america is more divided then in say: nixon's era.

I think the phenomanon of going towards more conservative values later on on life is far more neurological. As in, the older you grow the more stability your brain starts require from your surroundings. Hence even in difficult times "eternal" concepts like religious doctrine starts to become more instinctively appealing. This opposed to the more progressive side who constantly seek to change/alter things.

But we'll see I guess.

It's odd how horseshoe theory works, huh?

i'd have to be far left first and then alt or far-right the next, which i'm not. i've actually gradually moved from left to left centrist position to a centrist right position.

and it has been largely the lefts pro (big) government, anti family and to a large degree anti-humanity positions that have done so. What I knew to be the Left is slowly but certainly becoming a bit of a death cult honestly.

 

[dmgtz96]

That would have been true where it not that the rich v poor dichotomy has been around since, whenever (and much worse) and this is hardly the first housing or living crisis. Plus there isn't, if you take a look a things historically, that much of a voting trend difference in america, The pendulum seems to swing rather back & forth 50/50 e.a. I don't think america is more divided then in say: nixon's era.

I think the phenomanon of going towards more conservative values later on on life is far more neurological. As in, the older you grow the more stability your brain starts require from your surroundings. Hence even in difficult times "eternal" concepts like religious doctrine starts to become more instinctively appealing. This opposed to the more progressive side who constantly seek to change/alter things.

But we'll see I guess.

i'd have to be far left first and then alt or far-right the next, which i'm not. i've actually gradually moved from left to left centrist position to a centrist right position.

and it has been largely the lefts pro (big) government, anti family and to a large degree anti-humanity positions that have done so. What I knew to be the Left is slowly but certainly becoming a bit of a death cult honestly.

Religious doctrine and traditional family values are a huge repellent for me lol then again US conservatives are not a demographic I want to associate with (willingly anyways)
I really don't see myself turning conservative or voting republican tbh, even if I owned a home, were married, and had children. I definitely won't have the last, am just about to get started with the years-long process of saving up for the first, and no clue if I'll ever have #2.

 

[Jetflag]

this is one thing I think the left in general will have to reconsider further down the line. The right pretty much has a "monopoly" on (wholesome) family structures tradition and pro human-life/ nature in general currently.

if the left continues to depend on politics and media only for spreading its ideas, which the right are much less effective and good at, whilst at the same time continuing with being anti-reproduction, anti human nature and pro-death accros the board.

The right will simply outbreed them in 30 years orso.

 

[dmgtz96]

this is one thing I think the left in general will have to reconsider further down the line. The right pretty much has a "monopoly" on (wholesome) family structures tradition and pro human-life/ nature in general currently.

if the left continues to depend on politics and media only for spreading its ideas, which the right are much less effective and good at, whilst at the same time continuing with being anti-reproduction, anti human nature and pro-death accros the board.

The right will simply outbreed them in 30 years orso.

Depends on how the younger generations take the liberal and conservative messaging. Right now Gen Z and millennials are life-long enemies of the conservatives, and there's nothing the conservatives can do to sway us in their direction.

Edit: you should look up Mayra Flores. This is what happens today when as a candidate you support anti-trans, pro QAnon stuff

 

[Jetflag]

Right now Gen Z and millennials are life-long enemies of the conservatives, and there's nothing the conservatives can do to sway us in their direction.

Yeti know you really want/ believe that, but we’ll talk again in 30 years m8.

the hippies thought the world was theirs forever aswell in the 60s

 

[dmgtz96]

Yeti know you really want/ believe that, but we’ll talk again in 30 years m8.

the hippies thought the world was theirs forever aswell in the 60s

yeah, we'll have to see... it is probably true that conservative families, on average, have more children than liberal families. We'll have to know:
1) by how much
2) if the children raised in conservative families will adopt the same conservative beliefs as their parents

Unless the conservative platform improves and stops alienating minorities, women's rights, and stops pushing MAGA/QAnon candidates and religious doctrine on everyone, we'll keep seeing liberals winning

 

[Progrez]

lol he posted a tweet/poll about asking people to reinstate Donald Trump to Twitter