Dancing in the Shadows

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Just to update you on this track. I haven’t really worked on it since being back as have concentrated on learning new gear for my live electronica performances i do at a local pub. I will get back to it soon though possibly. Hensmon mentioned its not the kind of classic feel track hes looking to release currently but i will finish it at some point soon as feedback is not too shabby. Plus whenever i listen to it I really enjoy parts. Cheers

This i think is my latest version

Sounding superb this mate! 🙌
 
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I must admit, I'm really digging the vibe of this track. It's something that caught my interest right away. Those elements, there's something cool and thoughtful going on, you can see it. The whole composition has that certain something that makes me want to keep coming back to uncover those new details. Seriously, I feel like you've put in a lot of effort and enthusiasm into crafting this tune. Your style genuinely shows that you have a unique vision and creativity.

Wow. Not sure what to say. I really appreciate your words though.

It’s Really lovely to hear that kind of appreciation. I have the feeling you ‘get’ that thing as to why artists and musicians do what they do.

Actually are you a producer?

Like im sure other artists or musicians. That vision for me is often not fully formed at any point in the track. But the feeling one has during composing certain (infact most) tracks is big. Unfortunately when I personally struggle to execute something amongst the creative process, i loose inspiration and the feeling extremely quickly diminishes. Thus. I don’t usually finish tracks. Some mentors say. A finished track is better than a perfect track. Sometimes I wish i could think that way. I try when im producing but i always end up perusing an idea sprung from something triggered by a sound or just my imagination and not giving up till its right or close. That can drain you especially if you can’t do it right.

But if (after the great feedback ive had from a few people) i don’t let my desperation interfere theres a chance i can finish this one.
 
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Wow. Not sure what to say. I really appreciate your words though.

It’s Really lovely to hear that kind of appreciation. I have the feeling you ‘get’ that thing as to why artists and musicians do what they do.

Actually are you a producer?

Like im sure other artists or musicians. That vision for me is often not fully formed at any point in the track. But the feeling one has during composing certain (infact most) tracks is big. Unfortunately when I personally struggle to execute something amongst the creative process, i loose inspiration and the feeling extremely quickly diminishes. Thus. I don’t usually finish tracks. Some mentors say. A finished track is better than a perfect track. Sometimes I wish i could think that way. I try when im producing but i always end up perusing an idea sprung from something triggered by a sound or just my imagination and not giving up till its right or close. That can drain you especially if you can’t do it right.

But if (after the great feedback ive had from a few people) i don’t let my desperation interfere theres a chance i can finish this one.
I can relate with what you are saying there. I used to have the same struggle and I still do sometimes. It's just very frustrating when you have the feeling you can't get it right

The amount of unfinished tracks I have on my old laptop is immens and unfortunately there's no way for me to finish any of them since that thing is pretty dead. As a matter of fact I did finish one and it's really terrible 😂

Nowadays I only have one rule for myself to keep myself inspired and to keep the fun in producing. Every time I open up my DAW, I will sit for at least one hour. If nothing significant comes within that timeframe I just close up and go do other stuff.
If I really get the flow going I can easily sit for hours. For me doing it like this makes decision making in the creative process a little bit easier.

Maybe it's something you could try or already have. If not maybe it could work for you as well. Most important thing is to never give up and keep at it. Because I think your work is awesome.
 
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I can relate with what you are saying there. I used to have the same struggle and I still do sometimes. It's just very frustrating when you have the feeling you can't get it right

The amount of unfinished tracks I have on my old laptop is immens and unfortunately there's no way for me to finish any of them since that thing is pretty dead. As a matter of fact I did finish one and it's really terrible 😂

Nowadays I only have one rule for myself to keep myself inspired and to keep the fun in producing. Every time I open up my DAW, I will sit for at least one hour. If nothing significant comes within that timeframe I just close up and go do other stuff.
If I really get the flow going I can easily sit for hours. For me doing it like this makes decision making in the creative process a little bit easier.

Maybe it's something you could try or already have. If not maybe it could work for you as well. Most important thing is to never give up and keep at it. Because I think your work is awesome.

Thank you man❤️.

That trance track of yours i heard when you first joined is awesome too dude. I must listen to some more of your work.

I will try out your inspiration method. Cheers
 
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Had a lot of fun with Dancing Shadows (as il now call it i think)

Bought in some new sounds/melody. Plus tried out some parts from my old version.

Do the newer additions go?

—After around 3 1/2 minutes the arrangement hasn’t been set—-

…but i tried a few sounds together from then till the end to see how elements sound together etc.

Actually. The arrangement is now not right as either the start is too short or the middle bit (beat-less) section, too long. But it’ll get sorted, just not sure everything fits. Maybe darken the arp that comes in, in the beat-less section.

Pretty sure its like 2 different tracks put after each other ( like an earlier version was)

 
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Ok, so. When next in the studio (potentially this evening) i have a plan. The arp is a nice sound, but its too busy compared to the previous sounds. It might be to bright but i think its the fact that its got very fast changing notes witin the arp pattern that makes it too different a vibe. I like the sound and key used so want to experiment with different patterns. I have a plugin called bluearp. A brilliant’free’ plugin made for dance styles. Initially the arp is from the vst (cherry audio p20 i think...(korg ms 20 emulation) i will try something from Bluearp and change the settings on both that and the patch if necessary (maybe less bright). I will also make kick less loud as previous version is too loud. The other lower arp the track starts with i will alter when it comes back in mid way through the track as its too bright or high cutoff filter setting there which presents a less tuned and more harsh sound to some elements of it. Presently it masks the actual sound of the notes / pitch that its in. I will try arranging the bits beyond 3m and also thinking of bringing the alternating tune of the high arp which I momentarily used at the mid section, later in the track more towards the end for tune variation. Il also bring into the latter section some (probably not all) of the sounds from the first section (kinda intro part) as there are many ive not used later so far. Its hard to know if it will work.

One question im not sure if the additional sounds in the first section work, so possibly i can take them out and use them in the latter or main section as or when the track builds.

Afterwards i hope i can quote the words from a brilliant 80s TV series, The A team.

Hannibal - “I love it when a plan comes together “

Me - here’s hoping 🤞
 

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Ok, so. When next in the studio (potentially this evening) i have a plan. The arp is a nice sound, but its too busy compared to the previous sounds. It might be to bright but i think its the fact that its got very fast changing notes witin the arp pattern that makes it too different a vibe. I like the sound and key used so want to experiment with different patterns. I have a plugin called bluearp. A brilliant’free’ plugin made for dance styles. Initially the arp is from the vst (cherry audio p20 i think...(korg ms 20 emulation) i will try something from Bluearp and change the settings on both that and the patch if necessary (maybe less bright). I will also make kick less loud as previous version is too loud. The other lower arp the track starts with i will alter when it comes back in mid way through the track as its too bright or high cutoff filter setting there which presents a less tuned and more harsh sound to some elements of it. Presently it masks the actual sound of the notes / pitch that its in. I will try arranging the bits beyond 3m and also thinking of bringing the alternating tune of the high arp which I momentarily used at the mid section, later in the track more towards the end for tune variation. Il also bring into the latter section some (probably not all) of the sounds from the first section (kinda intro part) as there are many ive not used later so far. Its hard to know if it will work.

One question im not sure if the additional sounds in the first section work, so possibly i can take them out and use them in the latter or main section as or when the track builds.

Afterwards i hope i can quote the words from a brilliant 80s TV series, The A team.

Hannibal - “I love it when a plan comes together “

Me - here’s hoping 🤞
That's a coincidence; I've also been working on the mix with the ARP. :)
 
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Just made some progress with this. New ideas formed and i think i solved a few issues. Didn’t do exactly what i said in the last comment but im happy (ish) where this is going. Arrangement still lacks 3/4 through but other things formed. ( including a happy accident- left some extea acid at the start I didn’t intend to and recorded it with out thinking it was there, but it has kinda worked ish)

Got to solve the first few bars of the kick, not sure why it sounds clicky at first.

First section ‘might’ now sound over crowded. Not sure?

 
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Just made some progress with this. New ideas formed and i think i solved a few issues. Didn’t do exactly what i said in the last comment but im happy (ish) where this is going. Arrangement still lacks 3/4 through but other things formed. ( including a happy accident- left some extea acid at the start I didn’t intend to and recorded it with out thinking it was there, but it has kinda worked ish)

Got to solve the first few bars of the kick, not sure why it sounds clicky at first.

First section ‘might’ now sound over crowded. Not sure?

In my opinion, it sounds very good. The first section is quite interesting due to the abundance of elements, and it doesn't seem crowded to me. However, I'm not an expert in this matter; more experienced individuals could provide further insights. Nonetheless, I find it very enjoyable to listen to, I like the concept, and the sounds used. The overall impression is very good. Great job!
 
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Made a few additions and adjustments. Arrangement goes until around 4.50. I need to work on it after that.

 
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Wowsers.

Just had the best recording session for a while. Distracted myself from worrying about something critical at work.

I feel theres some nice addition in arrangement and melody now.

Almost there i would say, (almost). - may just make it a little longer.

Tempo on this version (and last) cut by 3bpm to 141bpm. (Was 144 bpm)

 
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Wowsers.

Just had the best recording session for a while. Distracted myself from worrying about something critical at work.

I feel theres some nice addition in arrangement and melody now.

Almost there i would say, (almost). - may just make it a little longer.

Tempo on this version (and last) cut by 3bpm to 141bpm. (Was 144 bpm)

This trance track is an absolute banger! I want to share my enthusiastic opinion about it.
The reverbs and echoes are incredible - they add a sense of mystery and space to the sounds, making me feel like I'm in a completely different dimension. It's amazing how precisely this part of the production has been thought out.
And as for the panning, I'm really impressed with the precision. The sounds are positioned in the sound space so accurately that you can literally "reach out and touch" them. The sensation when a sound moves from one ear to the other is amazing and adds a lot of emotions while listening.
The arrangement idea is also phenomenal here. Well-balanced melodic parts, excellent tension building, and explosive energy at key moments - it's truly a musical journey.
The entire track exudes professionalism and creative passion. Congratulations to @Bobby Summa - it's a true gem in the world of trance music!
 
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This trance track is an absolute banger! I want to share my enthusiastic opinion about it.
The reverbs and echoes are incredible - they add a sense of mystery and space to the sounds, making me feel like I'm in a completely different dimension. It's amazing how precisely this part of the production has been thought out.
And as for the panning, I'm really impressed with the precision. The sounds are positioned in the sound space so accurately that you can literally "reach out and touch" them. The sensation when a sound moves from one ear to the other is amazing and adds a lot of emotions while listening.
The arrangement idea is also phenomenal here. Well-balanced melodic parts, excellent tension building, and explosive energy at key moments - it's truly a musical journey.
The entire track exudes professionalism and creative passion. Congratulations to @Bobby Summa - it's a true gem in the world of trance music!

Good Lord. Thank you so much. Can I ask what sound system you listened to it on? I have indeed added some panning fx.

Thing is, its not actually eq’d or mastered yet. So. Although I wasn’t 100% sure its finished, im thinking of doing eq on it and mastering it as it is. Infact, perhaps it is finished.

I really appreciate your passion and words mate. Thank you.

Do you think i should approach labels?
 
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Good Lord. Thank you so much. Can I ask what sound system you listened to it on? I have indeed added some panning fx.

Thing is, its not actually eq’d or mastered yet. So. Although I wasn’t 100% sure its finished, im thinking of doing eq on it and mastering it as it is. Infact, perhaps it is finished.

I really appreciate your passion and words mate. Thank you.

Do you think i should approach labels?
I agree, you should definitely try reaching out to music labels. However, technical aspects play a crucial role here: mixing and mastering. Unfortunately, I can't assist with this because my ear isn't experienced enough, and I might miss certain nuances. Someone more experienced, like @lost legend, @jetlag, or another forum member, can certainly help in this regard.
In summary, go ahead and approach record labels, but make sure your mix and mastering are top-notch with the assistance of experienced individuals in the music community.
As for feedback, in the worst-case scenario, if you decide to approach labels and aren't accepted right away, you can still receive valuable feedback. This can be extremely beneficial, especially for someone with limited experience in music production.
Feedback from industry professionals can provide you with valuable insights and knowledge for the future. Their input will help you improve your production skills and gain a better understanding of the direction to take in your music creation. It's like having the opportunity to learn from the best, even if you aren't initially signed by a record label.

Although I also lack significant experience in the label scene...
 
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I agree, you should definitely try reaching out to music labels. However, technical aspects play a crucial role here: mixing and mastering. Unfortunately, I can't assist with this because my ear isn't experienced enough, and I might miss certain nuances. Someone more experienced, like @lost legend, @jetlag, or another forum member, can certainly help in this regard.
In summary, go ahead and approach record labels, but make sure your mix and mastering are top-notch with the assistance of experienced individuals in the music community.
As for feedback, in the worst-case scenario, if you decide to approach labels and aren't accepted right away, you can still receive valuable feedback. This can be extremely beneficial, especially for someone with limited experience in music production.
Feedback from industry professionals can provide you with valuable insights and knowledge for the future. Their input will help you improve your production skills and gain a better understanding of the direction to take in your music creation. It's like having the opportunity to learn from the best, even if you aren't initially signed by a record label.

Although I also lack significant experience in the label scene...

Thanks for your advice. I think i can eq it quite alright , but i have a friend who is reasonable at it too and wants to practice on this track. We will both have a try. For mastering i do have Cloudbounce, but also quite abit of individual mastering software, one is also quite a easy mastering fix. Plus i have an amazing software by Nugan. Me and my pal will give it a go. I would love to release a track with TF-R (Trancefix Recordings) but i sent @Hensmon a much earlier version the track and it wasn’t what he was currently looking for. @Archon & @Daysleeper plus @jetflag. Also @LostLegend & @Progrez @Recharge If you have a moment, would love your thoughts. Be honest (the brutal ones here) I won’t have a hissy fit again 😁
 
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I have listened to the track a couple of times and I've still got the feeling I haven't discovered everything. It's kinda like looking at the ceiling of the sixteenth chapel, every time you see/ hear the different elements.

Like IXM said.... This really is a gem...congrats man! 👊🏻

Edit: I also think you should approach labels. I am considering to send both "Dream Beyond" and "Vivid" out.
 
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