Shocking stuff that destroys what was once our trance scene

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[dmgtz96]

I'm going to an call an early BS on this. Could be wrong ofcourse but this reeks of Amber Heard'esq opertunism to me.

Bit hard to believe that a defacto Grand-dad DJ, way out of his (sexual) prime and with a 0 history on that sort of conduct throughout his decades in the profession all of a sudden decides to go full perv Berlusconi nearing his 60th digit in a known Me-Too cultural bastion like Los Angeles.

that or he's an incredible idiot.

we'll c how it unfolds...

All right, let's dissect this. You know my stance on what this kind of issue will be, but let's not just jump blindly into anything.

The 24-year-old woman, known as Jane Roe, alleges that Oakenfold masturbated in front of her on her first day working for him in October 2022, and on three subsequent occasions, “when Oakenfold was aware that Plaintiff could not escape”, the lawsuit claims.

On one of those occasions, in November 2022, the DJ allegedly masturbated in front of her four times in one day; Roe also alleged that he once did so in her vehicle.

This adds up too well. That is precisely how high-profile perverts work - they do this shit where their victim can't escape, where the victim is locked in with them. See also: Elon Musk's flight attendant (and yes, I know that's rich, especially from me)

Roe worked for Oakenfold in his home for $20 per hour. After the final incident, in which Oakenfold allegedly expressed anger towards Roe, the woman said she feared “not only continuing sexual harassment” but that she “would suffer physical escalation of the sexual harassment or other repercussions” if forced to continue working for the DJ.

If what Jane Roe is saying is true, then yeah she shouldn't have continued working with Paul Oakenfold. That treatment isn't worth $20/hr. Shit, that treatment isn't worth any $/hr.
So far, it's all he-said/she-said.

Roe reported the incident to Oakenfold’s management on 29 November 2022 and said she was asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement. When she did not sign, she alleges that she was prevented from returning to work and threatened with firing

This is where things get really interesting. Why would the company want her to sign an NDA, and then threaten to fire her if she didn't? What is the company trying to hide?

The lawsuit states that she eventually signed it “under duress”. When she returned to work for the management company, she did not work again with Oakenfold.

Roe claims that her hours were reduced and that she was let go in March 2023 for “a lack of [available] work”. The lawsuit disputes this claim as “false”, stating that Roe was “replaced by someone else hired by Oakenfold to fulfil” her duties.

Of course it was, she probably signed because she needed the income. Then, the company quietly let her go to sweep the problem under the rug.

Stepanek “bragged about his insurance policies to protect him from being sued over Oakenfold or being found ‘guilty by association’”, leading Roe to believe that the DJ “previously had several other assistants … and there was high turnover, likely because of the rampant sexual harassment.”

That's pretty fucked up (if true). This gives church molestation insurance vibes. If there truly are other victims, then hopefully they speak up.

Roe seeks damages in excess of $25,000. Her complaint also alleges that Oakenfold, various John Does, New Frequency Management and Paul Stepanek Management, both run by Stepanek, violated her employment rights.

I'm not a lawyer, but having her sign an NDA, threatening to fire her if she didn't, and eventually letting her go is not a good look.

My money is on him being an incredible idiot, yeah. The arts and entertainment industry isn't exactly known for being women-friendly. That is why #metoo happened. If Jane Roe's story is true - all the evidence will likely be confidential and only shared by the lawyers involved - then Paul Oakenfold was the beneficiary for years, possibly even decades, of the fucked up conditions in arts/entertainment that allowed powerful artists like him to get away with obvious sexual harassment, where everyone (their managers, friends, other employees) turned a blind eye.

It will be an interesting case to follow, as this is the last high-profile DJ case since Erick Morillo.

 

[dmgtz96]

Paul Oakenfold's not married, and there are no known long-term girlfriends, correct?

That actually puts him in a not great position. If the accusations had occurred towards Tiesto, Armin, or Paul van Dyk, I'd have been more skeptical, because all three are either marred or are currently in long-term relationships. But Paul Oakenfold is a forever bachelor... and that, combined with the fact that he's a famous DJ with easy access to women.... doesn't paint a good picture of him either.
What I'm trying to say is, we currently don't know if Paul Oakenfold is problematic. This is the first time we hear about it. However, we don't know if he's not problematic either based on his lack of long-term relationships. He could very well be a creep and we just didn't know.

 

[Julian Del Agranda]

Tiesto probably won’t need to cheat given he’s a 50 year old with a 20 year old

 

[dmgtz96]

Tiesto probably won’t need to cheat given he’s a 50 year old with a 20 year old

It's weird, but Tiesto does have a proven record of girlfriends/marriages. Monique Spronk, Stacey Blokzijl, and then Annika Backes. He's always had a taste for waaaay too young, but he's not problematic in the sense that he would harass a personal assistant lol

 

[dmgtz96]

Also, regardless of what you think about metoo. Can we all agree that masturbating in someone else's car, or in the presence of someone else, and that person did not consent to it, that's just gross?

 

[Progrez]

All right, let's dissect this. You know my stance on what this kind of issue will be, but let's not just jump blindly into anything.


This adds up too well. That is precisely how high-profile perverts work - they do this shit where their victim can't escape, where the victim is locked in with them. See also: Elon Musk's flight attendant (and yes, I know that's rich, especially from me)


If what Jane Roe is saying is true, then yeah she shouldn't have continued working with Paul Oakenfold. That treatment isn't worth $20/hr. Shit, that treatment isn't worth any $/hr.
So far, it's all he-said/she-said.


This is where things get really interesting. Why would the company want her to sign an NDA, and then threaten to fire her if she didn't? What is the company trying to hide?


Of course it was, she probably signed because she needed the income. Then, the company quietly let her go to sweep the problem under the rug.


That's pretty fucked up (if true). This gives church molestation insurance vibes. If there truly are other victims, then hopefully they speak up.


I'm not a lawyer, but having her sign an NDA, threatening to fire her if she didn't, and eventually letting her go is not a good look.

My money is on him being an incredible idiot, yeah. The arts and entertainment industry isn't exactly known for being women-friendly. That is why #metoo happened. If Jane Roe's story is true - all the evidence will likely be confidential and only shared by the lawyers involved - then Paul Oakenfold was the beneficiary for years, possibly even decades, of the fucked up conditions in arts/entertainment that allowed powerful artists like him to get away with obvious sexual harassment, where everyone (their managers, friends, other employees) turned a blind eye.

It will be an interesting case to follow, as this is the last high-profile DJ case since Erick Morillo.

I have studied law a bit and I also taken on a case against the government for sexual harassment but lost due to lack of evidence on my part. From what I can determine, the NDA law in the UK might only refer to things like bank accounts, share investments, accountants, etc and this is the information on their website as well. We need to know what was discussed or written in the NDA before making making a conclusion. Source: Non-disclosure agreements

Surely, they would have gone through a lawyer for her to sign a non disclosure statement and to personally write one out for her. She has to prove that sexual harassment occurred. We need to know what kind of evidence she has? Any surveillance cameras, witnesses (hard to find one) and the judge will probably want specific events that occurred.

You should decide what your NDA covers. It could protect only information which is recorded in some form and marked ‘confidential’. It can also protect information you share in meetings or presentations.

A good NDA restricts the use of the ideas and information to a specific permitted purpose. This could be the evaluation of your idea or the discussion of a joint venture. Specify that purpose in the NDA as precisely as you can. You can always widen the permitted purpose later. You won’t be able to narrow the restriction on the use of your ideas or information later.

You should be realistic. The person you are talking to might need to share your information with others. This could be their employees or professional advisors. They may also need to copy your information for this purpose. Make sure that these disclosures to employees and professional advisers are made in confidence.

Think about how long the confidentiality should last. It’s common to see it limited to 3 or 5 years. After that time they will be able to use and disclose your information. Once information is made public in anyway, an NDA can’t be enforced.

Some information could be kept confidential forever. Examples of these are:

• non-patentable know-how
• lists of customers
• personal information about the individuals involved in a project

Some companies or organisations could ask you to sign a document agreeing that they will not have a duty to keep your ideas or information confidential. If that is the case, you need to decide whether to risk disclosing your ideas to them.

 

[LostLegend]

Anyone still want him back?

 

[Jetflag]

All right, let's dissect this. You know my stance on what this kind of issue will be, but let's not just jump blindly into anything.

A good old dissection thread.

This adds up too well. That is precisely how high-profile perverts work - they do this shit where their victim can't escape, where the victim is locked in with them. See also: Elon Musk's flight attendant (and yes, I know that's rich, especially from me)

Oh no thats not even it, Your car (e.a. the product) didn't sexually harrass anyone did it? (or did it?) its just a bit of a poor example in the context of whats true or not, given how said allegations have never been proven. Accusations where made, and the case was settled in a 1 day mediator session with a severance agreement and a (to use a Dutch term) "oprot premie" or, as you phrase it later, it's all he-said/she-said

and remains such.

This is where things get really interesting. Why would the company want her to sign an NDA, and then threaten to fire her if she didn't? What is the company trying to hide?

we would need to see the NDA or a blank version thereof, but its not uncommon and infact standard operation for any high profile creative company (I know, i've worked for several) to get your employees to sign NDA's, (so basically what @Progrez wrote)

This is the first time we hear about it.

Which is why i'm highly skeptical about this, Its not like he hasn't been influential and rich in his field for some time now.. Yet he doesn't hold the sort of reputation for dabbling on the fringes of what is acceptable with women before the accusation-hammer fell (unlike say, Epstein, Berlusconi, etc.).

I found, speaking thereof, Musk's challence to his accuser to actually be a rather good one in order to get a the truth of things, had it come to a court case that is.... (The law/courts trump private-contracts such as non-disclosure agreements)

Describe any specific detail of the exposed autonomic area, shall we call it that... in question, and have that independently (and privately) verified for the Judge/jury to consider.

Even if Paul where a forever bachelor (which he's not really, the man has been married for 5 years) Its very out of caracter to all of a sudden nearing 60 deciding to flash your privates in front of younger entourage in the midst of a cultural zeitgeist hotspot where just the mere accusation from someone can tarnish and potentially destroy you for life. Thats just next level Darwin..

 

[Jetflag]

Also, regardless of what you think about metoo. Can we all agree that masturbating in someone else's car, or in the presence of someone else, and that person did not consent to it, that's just gross?

oh yes, I always ask my co-drivers if its ok (And then when I get the seal of approval do it whilst driving 130 kph on a freeway )

 

[Jetflag]

Anyone still want him back?

ah, looks like Thijs scored a filmsoundtrack,

well good for him, Time to break my van-radio for the next 3 months...

 

[dmgtz96]

A good old dissection thread.

Oh no thats not even it, Your car (e.a. the product) didn't sexually harrass anyone did it? (or did it?) its just a bit of a poor example in the context of whats true or not, given how said allegations have never been proven. Accusations where made, and the case was settled in a 1 day mediator session with a severance agreement and a (to use a Dutch term) "oprot premie" or, as you phrase it later, it's all he-said/she-said

and remains such.


we would need to see the NDA or a blank version thereof, but its not uncommon and infact standard operation for any high profile creative company (I know, i've worked for several) to get your employees to sign NDA's, (so basically what @Progrez wrote)

Which is why i'm highly skeptical about this, Its not like he hasn't been influential and rich in his field for some time now.. Yet he doesn't hold the sort of reputation for dabbling on the fringes of what is acceptable with women before the accusation-hammer fell (unlike say, Epstein, Berlusconi, etc.).

I found, speaking thereof, Musk's challence to his accuser to actually be a rather good one in order to get a the truth of things, had it come to a court case that is.... (The law/courts trump private-contracts such as non-disclosure agreements)

Describe any specific detail of the exposed autonomic area, shall we call it that... in question, and have that independently (and privately) verified for the Judge/jury to consider.

Even if Paul where a forever bachelor (which he's not really, the man has been married for 5 years) Its very out of caracter to all of a sudden nearing 60 deciding to flash your privates in front of younger entourage in the midst of a cultural zeitgeist hotspot where just the mere accusation from someone can tarnish and potentially destroy you for life. Thats just next level Darwin..

Yeah, I'm not saying "believer her immediately!" But more so: does everything add up?

I wasn't aware Paul Oakenfold has been married for 5 years, that's interesting. Then yeah it would be very out of place for him to suddenly be a pervert to a random assistant. The only thing I will say is that we don't know if Paul Oakenfold actually has a clean image or if the people around him have been trying to hide damage to his image. You would need someone with industry connections familiar with Oakenfold to know if that's an "open secret." So far, though, this seems unlikely.

 

[Progrez]

Yeah, I'm not saying "believer her immediately!" But more so: does everything add up?

I wasn't aware Paul Oakenfold has been married for 5 years, that's interesting. Then yeah it would be very out of place for him to suddenly be a pervert to a random assistant. The only thing I will say is that we don't know if Paul Oakenfold actually has a clean image or if the people around him have been trying to hide damage to his image. You would need someone with industry connections familiar with Oakenfold to know if that's an "open secret." So far, though, this seems unlikely.

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/OakenfoldLawsuit.pdf

 

[Magdelayna]

Is that Aqua remix real haha?? Are they re-releasing the album or summat..

 

[LostLegend]

Is that Aqua remix real haha?? Are they re-releasing the album or summat..

Yes and I believe it’s for the upcoming Barbie movie

 

[Magdelayna]

Yes and I believe it’s for the upcoming Barbie movie

a far cry from Theme From Njorefell then...

 

[Jetflag]

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/OakenfoldLawsuit.pdf

Thanks, nice find..Skimmed through it quickly, but it does look like she’d be able, given it was allegedly 4 times, to provide a detailed description of the organ in question

 

[dmgtz96]

Thanks, nice find..Skimmed through it quickly, but it does look like she’d be able, given it was allegedly 4 times, to provide a detailed description of the organ in question

I think the most important evidence will be if more women testify under oath against Oakenfold. At the end of the day, anyone can make accusations, but only those who are actually serious will testify under oath. Lying would be perjury, which is a crime, so that's not something a false accusator could do.

 

[Jetflag]

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/OakenfoldLawsuit.pdf

Thanks, nice findSkimmed through it quickly, but it does look like she’d be able, given it was allegedly 4 times, to provide a detailed description of the organ in question

I think the most important evidence will be if more women testify under oath against Oakenfold. At the end of the day, anyone can make accusations, but only those who are actually serious will testify under oath. Lying would be perjury, which is a crime, so that's not something a false accusator could do.

No, disagree on that one. “Mobbing” accusations are no substitute for actual evidence.

 

[dmgtz96]

Thanks, nice findSkimmed through it quickly, but it does look like she’d be able, given it was allegedly 4 times, to provide a detailed description of the organ in question

No, disagree on that one. “Mobbing” accusations are no substitute for actual evidence.

Probably a good time to revisit the Harvey Weinstein case. Based on some articles I've read, Harvey's defense attorney mentioned that Harvey had "deep scarring tissue" in his genitals, which would not have made it possible for him to sexually assault Jane Doe 01. I don't actually know how he was convicted, though. Many women accused him, and it sounds like proper physical evidence was never presented, but the jury found him guilty due to how convincing Jane Roe 01 sounded.
Also, interesting to note that Harvey's defense attorney's main argument was that Jane Roe 01 could not provide physical evidence. Make of that what you will.