The meaning of music and how it manifests through trance.

Jetflag

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I will reiterate this though:

Still. It’s nice that, amongst the plethora of historians, there is at least one @TheTranceHistorian putting in the time and effort to put the ethos, logos, and pathos of the genre on paper.

For which, in advance, kudos for the effort 👍 🙏
 

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gonna give a typically cynical façade take: this sounds great and all to a point but I still find it really weird when people talk about trance as if listening to it is some kind of elevated experience. to some it might be i'm sure, but as far as music goes it's one of the easiest genres to make. the only purpose I see this serving is that it'll make some 13 year old kid who just discovered metta & glyde templates become delusional enough to think that he's mozart in the flesh. I love trance and stuff (otherwise I wouldn't be here still making music after 25 years), but my perspective is that it's just dance music and is by definition not that deep, and for me there's a huge disconnect between the average trance track and discussions about fractals and spirituality. I don't mean to cause any offence but to me it just seems very self-aggrandising and kinda pseudo-sciencey

again really not trying to cause offence here but the feeling I get from a lot of trance fans is that they can't see the wood for the trees and trance is all they really listen to. sometimes it's helpful to remember that trance is suuuuuper fucking niche and not as accessible as it used to be, so I would take that for what it is and try to gain some big picture perspective

source: am a 39 year old music producer/stoner who doesn't rock with joe rogan
Trance is the best genre I have come across nothing comes to close to it. Maybe ambient music or space ambient music.
 

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Look. I ain’t having a dig at anyone. ( oh shit I am actually but sod it.

I just don’t understand why a man, TheTranceHistorian, who is doing a top job ( and putting in many hours of work) at providing a fascinating resource with his database and also is researching a book-About the prime (and most common) reason we come to this forum, gets abuse? So you may not agree with him or maybe you do but whatever , This is about Passion. Isn’t that the reason we start our DAW? Or listen to trance that blows our minds.
Have you guys not read the name of this forum or something?

Jesus really did weep.
 
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? where do you perceive abuse m8?

He, like any good writer, welcomes critique and input (see one page before this one) and has asked for it on multible occasions. 🤷‍♂️

why else post in on a public discussion forum? And particularly this one at that

This is Trancefix, not mollycoddle.com 😄

from my end I’ll restate, I think it’s a great project and will support anyway 👍. But it could be better imho and the input given here contributes to that.
 

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Nah. I admit i chose a wrong description, exaggerated. But it’s because I was angry. Not abuse. I’m just so surprised at the lack of positive support this guys getting. I don’t think everyone should agree with him but in my opinion there are ways of saying things which convey much better and constructively. (and yes I am guilty of not conveying properly earlier with my anger, but that’s different circumstances, I can go into that if really necasarry) ) I just am very clearly not seeing the love and support I’d expected. So making humour out of a persons efforts, yes, it’s not abuse (apologies I used the word abuse earlier) but I feel humour is in this very place about a person this passionate, a disrespectful thing.
 
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Yeah this is a discussion forum and anything presented here is open to scrutiny, I think everyone kept it respectful. Plus if you're gonna write a book about anything I think it's mandatory that the ideas presented get thoroughly tested first. Just standard peer-reviewing. If we were pointing out anything bad it's that, well, of course a bunch of people on a trance forum are gonna say "oh yes isn't trance just the coolest", sorta like how miss universe suspiciously always comes from earth.
 

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Also just to relate this to a personal example and how I hold myself to the same standard, when I've finished a track and want feedback on it I send it to a group of people who I trust to absolutely pick it the fuck apart instead of just going "yeah banging mate" because that helps nobody. Theories have to be tested and if it falls apart quickly then it wasn't a good theory to begin with. There's nothing personal about it
 

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First of all, absolutely love the initiative! This thread has put in words a lot of what I've experienced in music in general. So indeed, some praise for this undertaking is in order before delving deeper into it. I recognize the arguments made by @TheTranceHistorian. The point of others here that this specific view is highly personal and therefore only works in a way to reinforce the experience of a selected group, whereas it can be uninviting for others, should also be considered. But I think there is a nice middle ground here in terms of application.

The fact that the effects Trance music can have as detailed by several users in this thread are valid is undeniable, as they form the core experience of someone's perception. As someone who spent quite some time on other social media platforms where Trance is present, it seems like there is a large group of people, especially ones who mainly visit live events, who appreciate Trance at its surface level only; as a "boom boom" music. I think that is valid as is. However, it forms a social stigma that I am also confronted with very often. Bringing across the depth of the layers underneath can be challenging, especially to people who have not experienced something like it before. Often do I encounter people who are not capable of recognizing that emotion in music can be more complex than "happy" or "sad". They claim Trance is always happy because it is energetic. How do you bring across your experience in an inviting way, without sounding arrogant or elitist?

By explaining the personal emotional impact. A body of work like this can help people express their feelings in words, which in turn can help them communicate their enthusiasm to others. I understand that a passion for something niche can be quite lonely. I have been there. A work like this could considerably help. Not necessarily to make others enthusiastic for Trance music, but perhaps in order to plant a seed, and slowly erode the stigma. Or in order to let them understand the source of the passion.

As an example, I know plenty of people who were passionate about Trance for a while for the reasons mentioned earlier, but grew out of it eventually. Why? The specific emotional themes were no longer an addition to their lives. Some ended up listening to Rock music, some to other genres. Music has value because it elevates us to a certain state, the flow or place where we want to be. This goes for spiritual, relaxing, party music regardless. But for this to have effect the music has to contrast with our current lives. For instance, Ambient might have a more significant impact on people who want to relax than on people who are already relaxed.

So what does this say about Trance music? The spiritual part is a reflection of the psychic state of the listeners. I personally listen to emotional Trance because it can contrast with my emotional state at any time. Because it is a complex mix of evolving contrasts, it tells a story which can hit many aspects of my life. Therefore it brings balance by opening my mind, therefore inducing a flow state. I release all negative emotions. I think incorporating these personal analogies can deepen the sense of the book, by introducing a more human connection. Especially when considered in the light of what others look for, and find, in other genres, as mentioned before.

Anyway that's just my input here, hope some sense can be found in it :)
 

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First of all, absolutely love the initiative! This thread has put in words a lot of what I've experienced in music in general. So indeed, some praise for this undertaking is in order before delving deeper into it. I recognize the arguments made by @TheTranceHistorian. The point of others here that this specific view is highly personal and therefore only works in a way to reinforce the experience of a selected group, whereas it can be uninviting for others, should also be considered. But I think there is a nice middle ground here in terms of application.

The fact that the effects Trance music can have as detailed by several users in this thread are valid is undeniable, as they form the core experience of someone's perception. As someone who spent quite some time on other social media platforms where Trance is present, it seems like there is a large group of people, especially ones who mainly visit live events, who appreciate Trance at its surface level only; as a "boom boom" music. I think that is valid as is. However, it forms a social stigma that I am also confronted with very often. Bringing across the depth of the layers underneath can be challenging, especially to people who have not experienced something like it before. Often do I encounter people who are not capable of recognizing that emotion in music can be more complex than "happy" or "sad". They claim Trance is always happy because it is energetic. How do you bring across your experience in an inviting way, without sounding arrogant or elitist?

By explaining the personal emotional impact. A body of work like this can help people express their feelings in words, which in turn can help them communicate their enthusiasm to others. I understand that a passion for something niche can be quite lonely. I have been there. A work like this could considerably help. Not necessarily to make others enthusiastic for Trance music, but perhaps in order to plant a seed, and slowly erode the stigma. Or in order to let them understand the source of the passion.

As an example, I know plenty of people who were passionate about Trance for a while for the reasons mentioned earlier, but grew out of it eventually. Why? The specific emotional themes were no longer an addition to their lives. Some ended up listening to Rock music, some to other genres. Music has value because it elevates us to a certain state, the flow or place where we want to be. This goes for spiritual, relaxing, party music regardless. But for this to have effect the music has to contrast with our current lives. For instance, Ambient might have a more significant impact on people who want to relax than on people who are already relaxed.

So what does this say about Trance music? The spiritual part is a reflection of the psychic state of the listeners. I personally listen to emotional Trance because it can contrast with my emotional state at any time. Because it is a complex mix of evolving contrasts, it tells a story which can hit many aspects of my life. Therefore it brings balance by opening my mind, therefore inducing a flow state. I release all negative emotions. I think incorporating these personal analogies can deepen the sense of the book, by introducing a more human connection. Especially when considered in the light of what others look for, and find, in other genres, as mentioned before.

Anyway that's just my input here, hope some sense can be found in it :)
This is a most exceptionally clear way of putting this. I think I agree with all of it (but need to read a few times to properly reflect) I definitely love what you have said and think it’s got an incredibly clear and potentially no truer a perspective can be formed.
Im stabbing a guess you’re a producer.?
 
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This is a most exceptionally clear way of putting this. I think I agree with all of it (but need to read a few times to properly reflect) I definitely love what you have said and think it’s got an incredibly clear and potentially no truer a perspective can be formed.
Im stabbing a guess you’re a producer.?
Thank you! Yes I am, see the links in the signature section :)
 
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