- Jul 14, 2020
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Yeah well, 2020-USA in a nutshell
A gender-reveal stunt sparked a California wildfire that has forced 21,000 people to evacuate
Yeah well, 2020-USA in a nutshell
A gender-reveal stunt sparked a California wildfire that has forced 21,000 people to evacuate
yes, The US failed to contain covid-19, just like China, italy, the UK etc. But I disagree on both why it failed.Failure to contain Covid-19, both by the president (extremely bad leadership) and relevant health authorities (ex. Center for Disease Control going back and forth about people wearing masks).
I recommend you have a listen to this, Sam as an intellectual is someone i deeply respect for his factual analysis and neutral observation (even though he is an open anti-Trumpers) He provides a fair and factual breakdown as to why that simply isn't the case as you write it there, and why the whole BLM movement is a ploy/ selective outrage with a very clear political agenda. (and quite a transparantly hypocritical one at that)Widespread protests against police-on-black brutality. Most are peaceful, but some escalate to riots. And yeah, police-on-black brutality is real and rooted in serious systemic racism.
National Basketball Association (NBA) players strike within the past 24 hours. Normally I don't care for sports, but I think it's good to see the players taking a stance against the deep-rooted issues in the US from law enforcement/state authorities.
yup. look pretty serious, but I wouldn't classify it as "craaaazy stuff" , this happens pretty much every year round the hurricane season. why would you think this is anything special?Hurricane Laura about to hit Lousiana. It's still category 4 (lower than Katrina, which was 5), but it will still cause plenty of damage...
Presidential elections happening soon (early November), and in the past couple of months the governing party has done everything it could to dismantle the US Postal Service (so people don't vote by mail)
I think the sensationalism after 2016 hasn't died out in the slightests, partially thanks to Trumps inflamable tweeting. That being said this isn't anything all that new to the US.Craaaaaazy stuff happening right now, and I can only assume things will get crazier in the next two months with the approaching elections.
What do people outside the US think about all this? Ex. those in Europe?
How come? Is it not fair to say that the man is one of the stupidest, divisive, under-qualified and hugely flawed characters ever seen in office? I'm no fan on Biden, but how could he possibly be worse?As for the coming elections: I hope Trump wins, but my money is on Biden.
and thats what i meant the medias caracter paint job of him, which is what you're focussing on.How come? Is it not fair to say that the man is one of the stupidest, divisive, under-qualified and hugely flawed characters ever seen in office? I'm no fan on Biden, but how could he possibly be worse?
For months, Republican lawmakers and conservative leaders have tried to paint President Trump as an strong leader who heroically took “decisive action to save lives” from the coronavirus. They touted his ability to contain the virus, expedite testing, and protect Americans.
In reality, the U.S. now has one of the worst ongoing epidemics in the world, among the developed countries, due to President Trump’s mismanagement of the virus.
The U.S. is approaching 6 million cases and nearly 180,000 Americans have died from COVID-19. The U.S. has almost 25 percent of the globe’s confirmed infections, despite having just 4.2 percent of the global population.
A new book by acclaimed journalist Bob Woodward has revealed that Trump knew and acknowledged the dangers the coronavirus since early February. In an audio clip between Woodward and Trump from March, Trump admitted to purposefully downplaying the severity of the virus: “I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down because I don’t want to create a panic.”
Despite knowing the dangers of the virus, Trump has continued to spread false claims and misinformation about COVID-19. Here’s a look at the ways he has failed to protect the U.S. from the deadly effects of a worsening pandemic.
1. Cutting Resources To Critical Health Organizations
In February, just after the World Health Organization (WHO) declared the coronavirus outbreak a global public health emergency, President Trump introduced his fiscal year 2021 budget proposal that would cut funding from the CDC by 16%.
In March, Trump told governors to order their own ventilators, respirators, and supplies, saying the federal government is “not a shipping clerk.” After states fought in in a bidding war for critical equipment, the federal government finally relinquished some protective gear to high-priority areas.
As the pandemic continued, Trump has repeatedly called for further cuts to the CDC and National Institutes of Health (NIH). He also announced his plans to freeze funding to the WHO. The CDC, NIH, and WHO have all been on the front-lines of fighting a global pandemic which has severely overwhelming health systems around the world.
Furthermore, the Trump administration has tried to block billions of dollars for states to conduct testing and contact tracing in Congressional coronavirus relief bills which still have not been passed.
2. Misinformation about Treatments and Vaccines
Trump has no scientific knowledge or background and he continues to spew dangerous misinformation about COVID-19 treatments and vaccines. He has promoted ineffective and dangerous treatments including the unsupported use of hydroxychloroquine.
He has even advocated for injecting bleach, stating, “I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning? … It would be interesting to check that.”
While some COVID-19 treatments are showing some promise in helping COVID-19 patients, hydroxychloroquine and bleach are not scientifically-supported treatments.
In terms of a vaccine for COVID-19, the Trump administration has mislead Americans regarding the timeline of a potential cure.
Vice President Mike Pence addressed vaccine research in his RNC speech, claiming, “We’re on track to have the world’s first safe, effective coronavirus vaccine by the end of this year.”
Trump repeated this false promise in his RNC speech saying “we are delivering lifesaving therapies, and will produce a vaccine before the end of the year, or maybe even sooner! We will defeat the virus, end the pandemic, and emerge stronger than ever before.”
While scientists are eagerly working on vaccines, there is no guarantee one will be available by the end of this year. Even if it’s approved by December, it will take several more months until it’s widely accessible.
Dr. Walter Orenstein, a professor at Emory University and the associate director of the Emory Vaccine Center, said the likelihood of a COVID-19 vaccine coming even within the next 12 months would be “miracle.”
3. Failure to Take Responsibility
Trump has repeatedly downplayed the virus since its inception calling COVID-19 a “temporary” and “totally harmless” hoax. He takes no “responsibility” for the lack of testing despite trying to block funding for testing. He even told his people to “slow the testing down please” as a way to lessen the number of reported cases.
And as one thousand Americans die each day from COVID-19, Trump has dismissed the immense loss of life saying “it is what it is.”
“It’s very harmful to have a lack of clear communication and to underplay this virus,” said Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute. “Ultimately, a large part of how well we control the virus is going to depend on people’s behavior and to the extent that you have leaders who are trusted by large segments of our population saying it’s not a big deal… it does two things: it says there isn’t an outbreak out there or not much of one, and second is even if you got infected it’d be no big deal at all. We know both of those are not true.”
Despite denying responsibility, Trump and his administration were actually repeatedly warned about the impact that COVID-19 would have on American lives and the economy in January when the first case of the virus reached the U.S. The Woodward book confirms Trump’s prior knowledge of the virus.
The Obama administration even left a pandemic playbook to help the next administration in case there was a global outbreak of a deadly virus. Instead, Trump and his administration failed to heed advice from the playbook and ignored earlier calls for action, letting the virus viciously spread and take hundreds of thousands of lives.
4. Xenophobic Blame Game
Instead of recognizing the scientific advice and multiple warnings from experts, Trump has spent time blaming China, racial justice protestors, and Mexico for the rising cases in the U.S.
Trump has repeatedly blamed China for causing the pandemic and spreading it throughout the U.S. Trump froze funding for the WHO because he thought the agency was prioritizing and over-relying on China.
Since March, Trump has continued using anti-Asian rhetoric to describe COVID-19, using racialized names like the “Chinese virus” and “kung flu.”
The consequences of Trump’s racist terminology are already apparent. A growing number of Asian-Americans have reported incidents of racial slurs and physical abuse as the President himself promulgated the false notion that COVID-19 is a “Chinese virus” and encouraged unfounded anger towards Asian-Americans.
In a press briefing, Trump also blamed recent Black Lives Matter protests for COVID-19 outbreaks saying, “Cases started to rise among young Americans shortly after demonstrations — which you know very well about — which presumably triggered a broader relaxation of mitigation efforts nationwide.” There is no evidence supporting his claim.
A working paper released last month by the National Bureau of Economic Research found “no evidence that urban protests reignited COVID-19 case growth during the more than three weeks following protest onset.”
Additionally, the states where cases surged after protests were the states that had relatively small protests.
Finally, Trump has also blamed Mexico for increased coronavirus cases in the U.S. as a justification for limiting immigration.
“The Trump administration has rolled out one border ban after another — most recently on children and asylum seekers — using COVID-19 as an excuse, while failing abysmally to get the virus under control in the United States,” said Omar Jadwat, director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project, in a statement to CNN.
COVID-19 cases are surging and the death toll is rising not because of China, racial justice protestors, or Mexico but from Trump’s inability to follow public health advice and do his job to protect Americans.
5. Reopening Schools
Against the advice of many public health experts, President Trump and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos pushed for schools across the country to reopen with in-person instruction this fall. “SCHOOLS MUST OPEN IN THE FALL!!!” Trump tweeted. In another tweet, Trump threatened that he “may cut off funding” for schools if they don’t fully re-open.
Due to his aggressive demands, schools have reopened and cases, unsurprisingly, have skyrocketed. Hundreds of districts––urban, rural, and suburban schools––have now reversed their decisions on in-person classes, switching to remote instruction. By some estimates, at least half of the nation’s children will now spend a significant portion of the fall, or longer, learning from computers at home.
Teachers and their unions across the country have expressed frustration with the way the Trump, his administration, and other GOP leaders have handled reopening schools amid the COVID-19 pandemic.
6. Ignoring Face Mask Procedures and Social Distancing Advice
Since the start of the pandemic, scientists and public health experts have urged people to wear face masks and social distance because these tactics have been proven to be some of the most powerful weapons to fight the new coronavirus.
In mid-July, Robert Redfield, director of the CDC, said he believes the pandemic could be brought under control if “we could get everybody to wear a mask right now.” There has been more than enough evidence showing how masks help reduce transmission.
The CDC has advised to keep at least 6 feet away from other people indoors and outdoors since the start of the pandemic. And a recent report published in The BMJ found that distancing beyond 6 feet should be considered with circumstances like coughing and shouting indoors, large crowds, prolonged contact time, and no face coverings.
Despite knowing what necessary precautions must be taken, cases and deaths from COVID-19 in the U.S. continue to rise as the President fails to endorse scientifically-proven social distancing measures and mask procedures.
When asked if he would consider instituting a mask mandate, Trump responded, “No, I want people to have a certain freedom, and I don’t believe in that, no.”
Just a few days later, Trump flipped his position at a White House news briefing, saying that “whether you like the mask or not, they have an impact, they have an effect, and we need everything we can get.”
Still, what Trump says is different than what he does. During the RNC, roughly 1,500 people gathered the South Lawn of the White House for Trump’s RNC acceptance speech. Seats were tightly packed, only a few guests were seen wearing masks, and the event violated guidelines from Washington DC that prohibit mass gathering of more than 50 people.
Speakers during the RNC repeatedly continually referred to the coronavirus pandemic in the past tense, as if it was something the U.S. has already overcome. This is far from the truth thanks to President Trump’s failed leadership.
Other comparable countries had to deal with the same baseline issues as the U.S. Yet as students return to in-person classrooms in parts of Europe, sports teams can play in front of fans in South Korea, and more restaurants allow in-person dining in Italy, many U.S. states have had to backtrack on reopening plans.
If Trump and his administration continue to ignore public health experts and endanger Americans due to their incompetence and inability to lead, the idea of “returning to normal” after the pandemic seems to become less and less likely.
At the very beginning, the CDC recommended people not to wear masks. This recommendation wasn't based on data (there wasn't much data available then), but rather on the CDC wanting to keep people from hoarding masks so these would be available to health care practitioners. Marketwatch article (lean-right bias). That decision caused major confusion, led to a strong anti-mask sentiment, and reflects badly on the CDC.B; as for the CDC and the back and forth on masks, same thing. not their exact fault is it? They're just reflecting the incoming data by frame, largely due to unclear WHO information who had to put out multible tweets explaining how and what with a large timespan in between. (of all mediums the most poor one, due to its restriction on caracters)
So, no, I disagree with your rebuttal about my comment on the country's "extremely bad leadership." A true leader would have listened to and empowered the experts and done everything possible from his position to minimize the number of infections and deaths.Jonathan Swan (interviewer): You know, I've covered you for a long time, I've gone to your rallies, I've talked to your people. They love you. They listen to you. They listen to every word you say. They hang on your word. They don't listen to me or the media or Fauci. They think we're fake news. They want to get their advice from *you*. And so, when they hear you say "everything's under control, don't worry about wearing masks". I mean, these people - many of them are older people, Mr. President. It's giving them a false sense of security.
Correct and so did the WHO who’s stance they replicated since they are the ones who get the data first and which, like you said, wasn’t fully in yet regarding mask effectiveness of Covid19. In its UN mandate the WHO is actually obliged to consider quote: "health measures that, on the basis of a risk assessment appropriate to the circumstances, are not more restrictive of international traffic and trade and are not more intrusive to persons than reasonably available alternatives that would achieve the appropriate level of health protection." Hoarding from the ensuing panic would and did lead in some cases to mask shortage in hospitals. When the market adjusted and the studies where in, Both the WHO and the CDC changed their stance accordingly. And i think they did as well as they could given the power of their institute and the circumstances.At the very beginning, the CDC recommended people not to wear masks. This recommendation wasn't based on data (there wasn't much data available then)
no I didn’t watch that particular interview, thanks! will do,Trump's interview with Axios........"extremely bad leadership."
About hurricane Laura: yes, hurricane season happens every year (that's why it's a season, duh). That being said, you don't think the hurricane that caused more agricultural damage in Louisiana than Rita and Katrina is special? (source: The Advocate, neutral/center)
I do find the media coverage of him to be utter shite for sure, obsessing endlessly over aesthetic bullshit too much. As mentioned in my previous post I am no fan of bloated media narratives like this. But I watch/read almost 0 news... my conclusions about his character are based on his words and actions, of which have set an unprecedented stupidity in the history of Western politics.and thats what i meant the medias caracter paint job of him, which is what you're focussing on.
Lets break that down a bit. Trump has been succesfull and semi succesfull in fulfilling a number of his campain promises.but that does not negate the fundamental importance of character, leadership, skill etc. These are critical for the role, without them you cannot implement ideas or policy effectively, or even lead, which is the whole point. Trump is without question failing on all accounts.
Well for this thread I look at him as an american president, not a hypothetical world leader since i disagree there is one.He's not the devil he's made out to be, but he is still a 1/10 in terms of what we look for in world leaders.
This isn't about my life, its about what I think about the USA's situation, which can by all accounts be purely academic. Further more, I have family and friends in the states and as such a personal interrest and on top of that, where America leads, europe and especially NL, usually follows.You've outlined the policy alignment you're concerned with and its relevance to yourself, yet as you're a European, not residing in America, you can maybe argue only one has relevance to your life
I drew a whole list of ideological, practical and utilitarian political points I agree/split/disagree on with biden v trump and asked you to pick a few so we can discuss..Therefore seems like your hypothetical support of Trump stems more from personal idealogical tribalism, than from any utilitarian benefits or actualised benefits.
well I'm happy to break down climate, foreign policy and corporation monopolies when it comes to Trump v Biden if you like. But i will insist you refrain from projecting and/or thinking you can read my mind or intentions on things. alright?The American policy that would have relevance to you is climate, foreign policy and corporate corruption or monopolies that influence our own economies. Those three areas are a disaster for Trump and the Republicans in general, in some cases in complete opposition.
We disagree on many things, but I'll be damned if I didn't wish more conversations across political ideologies were more like this (versus just attacking those who don't share the same viewpoint, right and left alike).but we’ll just have to agree to disagree and drink a beer on that
Haha yeah, I think it was the 'relevant issues (for me)' quote that made me allude to the tribalism aspect, as all the policy you listed was essentially domestic and lacks relevance to both our lives. So without relevance, I am left guessing to few alternatives, like choosing a side for sides sake. Let's call it a bad guess then lol. Certainly having family in the States adds a little weight to them now, but hard for me to know that
the exact troup deployment numbers aren't released yet. so the claim being made there is unveriviable and its "source" a journo retweet claiming the "pentagon" said it, So I wouldn't call that a reliable statement. What has been released is middle east troop deployment data up to 2017 showing overall steady decrease trend there,The reason I preferred him to Hillary in the first election was his rhetoric on ending illegal and pointless wars, which he's not even close to doing. ...... He has put more American troops into wars in the ME overall than taking them out, so your claim is not true - read here. ....It's effecting us directly and in fundamental ways.