(Why) are there no new ideas in trance?

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Did I miss anything :p

Well, yes, everything before 2012. Tony from A&B coined the phrase "Trance 2.0" in around 2008 I believe. Matthew Dekay released a compilation called "Trousy" in 2005.

Many, many trends occurred before this (Deadmau5, mnml, PLUR, mcprog, hardhouse/hardtrance, commercial, the list goes on), but I don't have the desire to write about it.
 

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Even what is being called "Steroid" Trance in this forum has existed wayyyyy before, at least 2009. I just considered it to be (bad) Uplifting, but in recent years it got even more badly produced and now after nearly 15 years of it, it became so much we decided to call it something more derogatory. Check these for example. Isn't this the same style as whats being called Steroid now?

Neal Scarborough - Wiretap (2009)
Paul Miller - Chieftec (2009)
Simon Patterson - Thump (2009)
JOC - Dont Look Back (John Askew Remix) (2009)

We could find hundreds probably

Trance stopped being cool, but due its undeniable allure, producers found a hack where they just take pieces of the genre and add it to their house and techno tracks, thus maintaining their edgey disposition whilst also summoning the unicorns from within. I'm just happy to have enjoyable music outside of Activa in all honesty.

Haha true.
 

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Great post man!!.)

I just want to add that those revival releases are everywhere to find, in every decent record store in a bigger city, I see them from Budapest to Berlin.. its not only a virtual scene.
 

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Well, yes, everything before 2012.

I just focused on the last 10 years, I think there were plenty of good new ideas in the 00's, that was the best period in many ways for experimentation with the genre. I got the impression OP was talking more recent in terms of lack of ideas.

But you guys make good observation. The Trance 2.0 sounds and steroid sounds happened before 2010. Poppy commercial Trance was also probably before 2010 too. So really the OP is correct we don't have many new ideas (even bad ones) in this last decade.

Accurate. I would reduce the rating of "underground" to 5. It's only slightly better than the other genres.

Hold up, is this serious? The Wasteland and Tigris being compared in the same light as Trouse or Steroid abominations? What's worse is that I see you above state Vini Vici as "a breath of fresh air". In the most respectful way possible I will knight you musically retarded. Is it Gen-Z Californian here? Listen to those tracks I mentioned and then come back with your written apology.
 

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I just focused on the last 10 years, I think there were plenty of good new ideas in the 00's, that was the best period in many ways for experimentation with the genre. I got the impression OP was talking more recent in terms of lack of ideas.

But you guys make good observation. The Trance 2.0 sounds and steroid sounds happened before 2010. Poppy commercial Trance was also probably before 2010 too. So really the OP is correct we don't have many new ideas (even bad ones) in this last decade.



Hold up, is this serious? The Wasteland and Tigris being compared in the same light as Trouse or Steroid abominations? What's worse is that I see you above state Vini Vici as "a breath of fresh air". In the most respectful way possible I will knight you musically retarded. Is it Gen-Z Californian here? Listen to those tracks I mentioned and then come back with your written apology.
nah, I think they all suck
Vini Vici was "a breath of fresh air" relative to what was going on in mainstream trance at the time. But it still sucks. In the same paragraph I mentioned that Vini Vici's style is just watered-down, ultra-commercialized psytrance apt for the masses which had nothing to do with the roots of psy.

I'm starting to sound like trancedanne...
 
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I really am losing all the respect for musicians who absolutely do not want, or have it in them, to create something new or develop their identity. In 2000 people thought trance was dying, probably because they no longer identified with the sounds and ideas that were taking over the scene, but in 2022 I have to say I really do not see any new ideas coming at all. It's either what's already been here for years, or a mimicry of what once was.

(Sorry for bringing this thread up again). Im just reading an old Oliver Lieb interview from 1999:
- how do you feel about the way trance is developing in general the last years?
It gotten too commercial…like everything that becomes big…nothing new is getting big since the people are focused on just one sound…nobody is pushing or supporting new sounds. To me Robert Miles”Children” was the beginning of the end of trance as it was known as something good and inspiring. I like to think of
more Techno orientated “Trance” which is lately developing and once again is not something completely new, but a good mix of styles that I like…far away from the
Pop-Trance!
 
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