- Jul 17, 2020
That’s exactly what I did during 10 years of schooling, easily ignoring and rejecting the ideology. Arguably at the most impressionable age period of my life. Same for my 2 brothers, 2 sisters and 99% of peers, who all came out atheists, maybe some agnostics. There's clearly a nuance and a spectrum to the extent of which idealogical ideas are adopted and acted upon by societies. Some are, some aren't, and with mixed extents and outcomes.
Except the ideology you're refering to in this scenario is and has been on a constant decline, as opposed to a steady rise. Religiosity and Catholcism in general has been on a steady downward trend in terms of influence in the UK since the 1950's. So I don't think your ideological analogy is accurate in this case. Woke culture is and has been on a constant (and to its credit succesfull) influential march,being adopted and incorporated by virtually al aspects of society , (I honestly can't think of a societal aspect that it hasn't penetrated or tried to penetrate.) Whereas Catholocism is like a crumping old man, constantly losing ground in insitutions and (pop) culture and desperatly trying to keep its (former) relevance on society somewhat afloat.
When ideologies become (instead of become less) institutional and omnipresent in virtually all aspects of society, (which they are). There are (negative) consequences for the populus of said society inevitably follow, especially if they're at the recieving end of it. The luxury to just ignore it or opposed it in the way you're suggesting by your own lived experience is more often then not simply not optional in such a scenario.
To give an example or a rising as opposed to declining ideological force and in reference to my remark on the profoundly inaccurate and frankly irresponsible statement of suggesting to just "shrug it off" The jewish population during the weimar republic would not and where not just fine simply "ignoring and rejecting" nazi ideology at the time. Same goes for the socialist revolutions of the 30's and the same goes for when Christianity was at its expantional high-days.
well fair enough you did create that impression somewhat but my bad, thanks for clearing that up.I didn’t hate religion, as you suggested btw, so that’s not a reason I didn’t adopt its teachings. I am not using it as a negative example of ideology, it’s just an example of how an idealogical force (the most powerful one in the west) was easily abandoned by myself and everyone I knew. Uptake of religion is declining rapidly in the west so I would say my personal experience is not unique and it demonstrates how we are not always and by default at the mercy of ideology. Men, by default, are not at the mercy of woke bus stops signs.
but as I mentioned above, your analog- time-frame if you will, is off. Ask yourself would you have easily abandoned it/ shrugged it off during catholicisms high-days in the pre-middelages? or would it be slightly more likely that you have been "cancelled" like the rest with a bit of holy fire whilst tied to a stake?
Also you keep bringing the attempted ad-absurdum of a bus stop as if thats genuinly the only thing we're talking about here, To re-itterate an earlier example, Since 2011 there has been a 30-fold increase !) in prebubescent gender-clinic referals, and the amount of clinics in the US went from 1 in 2007 (Boston) to 3 f ing hundred in the span of a decade, accompanied with (woke) legislation that makes it possible for kids to legally consent to a permanent-infirtility-sex-change before the can legally consent to sex..
let that sink in for a minute..we're talking little children here, who're being groomed to undergo permanent whomb removal or castration under the guise of "gender affirmation" (where as most kids simply turn out to be gay or autistics) for what I presume to be the sake of new woke utopia where there will be finally be "equality" in terms of numbers between trans and cis.
This is not just me being hyperbolic for the sake of discussion, this is factually happening, right now as we speak.
so no, its not just bus stops or some annoying students you can ignore m8 if It where I wouldn't have started this thread. Wokeism is way further then then just that i'm afraid.
I never said your (presumed) hatred of religion made you impervious to its idealogical forces, In fact I think I acknowledged and sympathised that you had a rough time with it, (hence me assuming you dislike/hated it) What I implied is that your affinity with the (political) left in general makes you precieve Woke culture as less problematic <(pun)/ acceptable as it fits on your prefered side of the political spectrum.And I’m confused about who you specifically believe is most vulnerable to the woke teachings. You implied my (non-existent) hated of religion made me impervious to its idealogical force through schooling, but then also stated my compatibility with left ideas was what made me impervious to the woke idealogical force at university? So which is it, compatibility or rejection of idealogy that provides the protection? If it’s both, then who does that leave?
Now you might very well be a resilient person regardless of what ideological force if thrusted upon you, regardless of its attraction or repulsivity to you and if thats the case (me not being a psych and all) then great, good for you.
but and i'm going to stress this again, you alone hensmon, and your lived experiences are not society in general
Which is also an answer to whom I specifically believe is most vunerable to Woke cultures beratings.
Its the type of person who is quite impressionalbe, who cares what people think of him, scores more then average on neuroticism etc.