AI, procedural generation and other new music technologies - What does the future of music hold?

LostLegend

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Thing is I want it to sing a certain phrase, I can do the initial singing myself (despite the fact that no-one in their right mind would want that in a production heh). But ideally I’d then have some tool which can turn that into a (nice) female vox
So you want to turn your voice into a female one?
Is that meant for this thread or the trans one? 😉
 

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Look at how things like Metaverse, VR, crypto, blockchain, electric vehicles, Google glass, 3D TVs, 3D movies... and so on have stalled or begun to fall out of favour after an initial burst of accelerated development/hype. The public eventually catch on that it's not living up to expectations.

The electric vehicle movement is going along quite nicely. They are absolutely everywhere in the US. I just got to California yesterday and already have seen multiple self driving (empty) cars going around the city too. VR and AR is somewhat unique, in that we have to experience a reversal in resolution/graphics for what we are used too, due to the hardware, which has never happened before with visual technology but still... did you see the VR conversation Lex and Zuckerberg have? Its absolutely mind blowing. Lex is speechless. No question it will become a norm for human communication, and rightly so - fuck texting and zoom when I can chat with my family in the UK and it feel like im next to them.

AI at its most infantile stages already has given us pictures and videos in which you cannot tell the difference from reality. Why would music be any different? Maybe the argument is that music has a level of complexity to it that AI cannot understand, but I would be surprised. Is that your feeling?
 

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Hm..I don't think its complexity.

AI, despite its potential still is unable (and probably never will be able) to solve the hard problem of conciousness. It cannot map Qualia, therefor it will only be able to at best very neatly approximate items, and definitely not for all, all at once.
 

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AI is not some actual artificial intelligence in a sci-fi sense, it's just mathematical models and algorithms, if it's not yet doing great with music it's because nobody has developed it well enough to be working with it and I can clearly see why - I am pretty sure Sony, Universal and the other majors would rather buy out some promising AI startups to bury them than let anyone have an endless source of great music they can't make money from. So the anti-AI lobby is really strong in the music business because ones it's there, things will change too much and those on top sure don't want that to happen any soon, even tho it's still inevitable
 
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AI is not some actual artificial intelligence in a sci-fi sense, it's just mathematical models and algorithms, if it's not yet doing great with music it's because nobody has developed it well enough to be working with it and I can clearly see why - I am pretty sure Sony, Universal and the other majors would rather buy out some promising AI startups to bury them than let anyone have an endless source of great music they can't make money from. So the anti-AI lobby is really strong in the music business because ones it's there, things will change too much and those on top sure don't want that to happen any soon, even tho it's still inevitable
I don't think the music industry is looking at AI like that m8. If it where then that would also go for the overall Art scene and its money bearers and yet we see things like midjourney and leonardo making huge strides.

Like most companies involved in developing AI, the rewards of having one superior to the rest will not only put your competitors out of business, but will give you the monopoly and infinite amounts of revenue without having to pay for cumbersome things like producers, musicians, singers etc.
 

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I was disappointed with Leonardo tbh.

I promted “design a logo for music artist Julian Del Agranda” but the Ai didn’t even use the name. It said Julian sometimes but followed by random letters etc. Weird mistakes. The ai also put in a person, as if that guy was ‘Julian’. Sort of funny but silly.

To test it I also wrote “display Frenkie de Jong in boxershort.” Yeah I know, silly. The AI gave me a blonde looking guy with a sexy twink body. It wasn’t Frenkie though lol. It also gave a photo with a twink body (lets say 20-25 years old) but with a child head (lets say 10 year old). I found that a little weird, not sure if Ai should design grey-area fake child porn kind of stuff?
 
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I was disappointed with Leonardo tbh.

I promted “design a logo for music artist Julian Del Agranda” but the Ai didn’t even use the name. It said Julian sometimes but followed by random letters etc. Weird mistakes. The ai also put in a person, as if that guy was ‘Julian’. Sort of funny but silly.

To test it I also wrote “display Frenkie de Jong in boxershort.” Yeah I know, silly. The AI gave me a blonde looking guy with a sexy twink body. It wasn’t Frenkie though lol. It also gave a photo with a twink body (lets say 20-25 years old) but with a child head (lets say 10 year old). I found that a little weird, not sure if Ai should design grey-area fake child porn kind of stuff?
Yeah I wasn’t too impressed either, took me 20 prompts just to get a conceptual picture of an O’Neill cylinder

that said: proper prompting is an art on its own, and I have seen some amazing results being made from it
 

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I’ve been playing with Suno. It’s gettin scary good. I let it generate both lyrics and songs based on propmts, adding some examples below. Used all my points for today, will play more tomorrow.




 
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AI vocals are very welcomed in trance scene. Theres so many vocalists who cant sing properly and are in genereal difficult people to work with (for my experience at least). Will use AIs for vocals for sure in the future!

People doesnt seem to understand that we're just starting with AI, AGIs and everything coming the world will change.
 
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People doesnt seem to understand that we're just starting with AI, AGIs and everything coming the world will change.
Sure but people also don’t seem to understand that AI doesn’t “self develop”. It basically the auto correct on your phone just more complex and capable of learning.

It’s fundamentally dependent on human input for its learn and imitate-output. Therefor it will always lag behind “humans” so to speak. And thats not even taking the hardware/physics limitations on the computational side of things for a genuine AGI into account.

so unless we actually develop a working theory for things like the Hard Problem of Conciousness and things like Qualia.. (assuming there even ís one possible given it’s mostly a philosophical issue, not a code/scientific one)

ánd find a way to get that into some novel wierd code.

AGI’s are as far away as breaking the lightspeed barrier
 

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Sure but people also don’t seem to understand that AI doesn’t “self develop”. It basically the auto correct on your phone just more complex and capable of learning.

Who doesnt understand? AI just uses recourses we feed to it to create/generate something "new"

AGI’s are as far away as breaking the lightspeed barrier

No, they're not. You can quote this in 2 years.
 

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Who doesnt understand? AI just uses recourses we feed to it to create/generate something "new"
hence it doesn't self develop/ thinks for itself the way we do which is a precondition for an AGI (or AUI)

No, they're not. You can quote this in 2 years.
Yes they are, You can quote this back in 2 years

what say we put a crate of beer between that eyh? :p
 
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hence it doesn't self develop/ thinks for itself the way we do which is a precondition for an AGI (or AUI)

Yes, agree at the moment. But how fast ai has developed amazes me. Now it already can make realistic videos from text promts

Elon Musk just said in some interview he believes we're 1-2years from agi.

But anyway, its coming sooner or later. Only limit atm is processing power. Think if in two years just one dude with a vision in his head and good with AI tools, can make a hit movie. I predict we gonna see some kind of a video spotify app, where people share their AI generated videos and movies with artist names, like trance producers on spotify. And ofc, that means "video labels" who releases their artists movies

Also this means first AI generated pop stars. Maybe people stop listening music and just watch music videos instead :D

Yes they are, You can quote this back in 2 years

what say we put a crate of beer between that eyh? :p

Haha, I dont drink! But lets see what happens. Interesting time ahead anyways :geek: Many says that this AI-burst is bigger thing to the world then internet was.
 
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another dimension to it, the AI revolution if you can call it that is rather timely because, for example in music industry, things have become too marketed, too controlled - the music itself doesn't matter that much, what matters is the artist name, which label it's on, their fan base/reach, their marketing capabilities. any shit gets viral with just enough marketing force. we see total amateurish nonsense from 'big names' on big labels and some absolute talents struggling to sign their music on a label that doesn't suck too much. so yeah we need to shake these things up and whatever does that - AI or something else - it's a good thing.
 

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I am in the camp that AI will eventually be able to make music that is indistinguishable from what humans produce.

In the short term I predict AI being a boon to big music labels and corporations, who will be able to create albums without paying artists. Spotify will have endless tracks with no royalty obligations. They will have their own software, technicians and data sets (discographies) to power a model that’s more performant than the average AI bedroom artist.

But in the long term, let’s say 100 years, AI will be so powerful that music labels become obsolete. The human mind will have all it needs to make incredible music, that is exactly what you want subjectively, with no boundaries to its capability to satisfy. The individual can make 4 albums a week if they wanted to. There will be endless music and no need to private entities to gatekeep or be responsible for production.
 

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When people watched Neil Armstrong in 1969, they said we'd be living on the moon by the year 2000. You guys are getting way too carried away based on "it's going to get better" without any real evidence.
Or, for that matter “it’s going to get worse” without any real evidence. (For those of us in the Skynet esq camps)
 

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It seems to me that the evolution of AI music will benefit listeners in the first place. Since all the garbage that can now be heard on the beatport will be generated without mediocre boring musicians. And it will contribute to the development of the musicians themselves, since it will not be possible to create another template track that would interest at least someone, maybe they will achieve some kind of their own individual distinctive sound so that no one has any questions this track was created with the help of AI or a real musician. BTW, I generated this track and I liked it so much that I've been playing it every day for a week now :D Udio | Fading Future (Hypnotic Trance) by BigBoss228 | AI Music Generator - Official Website