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dmgtz96

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I voted for Kamala. In my state, Trump is likely going to win, but at least I'm glad I did my civic duty
 
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I voted for Kamala. In my state, Trump is likely going to win, but at least I'm glad I did my civic duty
I don't know why he has all of the sudden started verbally attacking Harris so much maybe he thinks he can influence someone to vote for him just by his words.
 
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dmgtz96

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Win in Texas or win the us elections?
I moved to Indiana a couple months ago. Trump will likely win Indiana, but I still voted against the state Supreme Court justices because they upheld the abortion bans.
 

dmgtz96

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Ah ok ic,
Yeah. It's a weird one because you get to vote straight ticket (democratic/republican) but also have to manually select your choices for local officials. So, in theory, you could vote for Trump but vote against the Supreme Court justices.
I think that's what people are doing in TX. Some Republicans are voting straight R but voting for Allred. Nobody likes Ted Cruz lol
 

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Yeah. It's a weird one because you get to vote straight ticket (democratic/republican) but also have to manually select your choices for local officials. So, in theory, you could vote for Trump but vote against the Supreme Court justices.
I think that's what people are doing in TX. Some Republicans are voting straight R but voting for Allred. Nobody likes Ted Cruz lol
My money is still on Kamala..

In any case,
good luck Tuesday m8. Even if our politics mostly misalign 👌
 
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Another wonderful day in free-world politics. The choice between a egotistical liar who exploits the fear and hatred of others to stay relevant, or insane party that has committed itself to the war machine, pushing us closer to heightened global conflict and nuclear disaster. I don't know which side is more deluded than the other at this point.
 
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Another wonderful day in free-world politics. The choice between a egotistical liar who exploits the fear and hatred of others to stay relevant, or insane party that has committed itself to the war machine, pushing us closer to heightened global conflict and nuclear disaster. I don't know which side is more deluded than the other at this point.
At least they have something to elect. which cannot be meaningfully stated for the EU and it’s massive democratic deficit.
 

dmgtz96

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I want Kamala to win. It will be amazing seeing a Black female prosecutor beat the racist, misogynist, white supremacist, convicted felon that Trump is.
 

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... insane party that has committed itself to the war machine, pushing us closer to heightened global conflict and nuclear disaster. ...

Would love to see a realistic scenario agreed upon by our allies and the leaders of the free world that doesn't result in escalating conflict possibility. I see this narrative all over, and while I appreciate the idealistic fantasy of us cutting off Israel and avoiding sticking our finger in Putin's eye in Ukraine, rarely do the true progressives offer realistic alternatives that don't have other potentially severe consequences. Could we play harder with Israel given the unacceptable loss of civilian life there? Of course, and I think we will under new leadership. But not voting, or worse, voting for Trump, will result in far worse outcomes for Palestinians and those in Ukraine fighting for their freedom. I feel for younger people in the USA who have never gotten to vote for the ideal candidate. But in 2024, it really is choosing for the future of our democracy, and the right to have free and fair elections.

I just so so so look forward to the actual discussion of conservative vs liberal. It used to mean something. There used to be good faith discussions with differing opinions on the way to solve problems to help people. While politicians always spun things in a way to benefit them, outright lying, and having a media machine and brainrot electorate spread the lies unfettered... that is modern and the cancer of democracy. No progress on progressive /humanist issues is possible if Trump gets elected this year. So please, please, get out to vote even if the ongoing conflict horrifies you. It does me I can tell you, but my choices and influence are limited, and so are yours.
 
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But in 2024, it really is choosing for the future of our democracy, and the right to have free and fair elections.
I agree with that sentiment,

which is why it somewhat baffles me to see so many US progressives being totally ok with open borders and no proper voter registration/identification, speaking of idealistic fantasies. (Not saying this is you per se by the way, but in general)

you basically choke any form of fair and functioning democracy by allowing the party in favour of such practices to just hack any election cycle by simply oversaturating their voter base with non-citizens.

it’s a bit like a money-print Ponzi scheme, only instead of printing more money to somehow mitigate for a drop in financial value, you “print” voters to compensate for existing demographic attraction.

as an NL citizen the idea of not needing to show a valid passport or picture at a voting booth is utterly insane to me and why I’m wholly unconvinced that, out of the two, it’s the dems who are the party of “fair democracies”

If this continues, regardless of who wins this presidential cycle, you wont have a democracy anymore. You will be a one party state. And if said party does something you don’t like (like say, another forever war) you can’t vote them out, for they will simply compensate using the aforementioned method 🤷‍♂️

Friend of mine from Denmark just returned from holiday in the US, cast his vote for Trump for shits and giggles on his way out…. Why not eh?
 
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SaltAcidFatHeatAcid

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Your post just reminds me why it's not fruitful to engage with you in this thread. You take a very direct response to someone, with a very specific theme, twist it and change the subject with a slight nod that it's tangentially related, add subtle layers of non-facts. Rinse and repeat.

... to just hack any election cycle by simply oversaturating their voter base with non-citizens...
- This an absolute myth and a right wing talking point. Look at real data from state elections, interviews with credible AG's. Non-citizen voting is incredibly rare. Hard to take you seriously when you write stuff like this.

... Friend of mine from Denmark just returned from holiday in the US, cast his vote for Trump for shits and giggles on his way out…. Why not eh?
- Do tell me how someone on a holiday visa got registered to vote and commit fraud. Mind sending me their contact details as well? Since you see some concerned about voter fraud in the USA.

As to your statements about voter ID's. The only reason it's a hot button issue here is because it's usually part of a disingenuous voter suppression effort. I have zero issues with showing my ID voting in person. But we have a lot of vote by mail here too. where signatures are the verification step. Tons of representative democracies operate that way.
 

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Your post just reminds me why it's not fruitful to engage with you in this thread. You take a very direct response to someone, with a very specific theme, twist it and change the subject with a slight nod that it's tangentially related, add subtle layers of non-facts. Rinse and repeat.

... to just hack any election cycle by simply oversaturating their voter base with non-citizens...
- This an absolute myth and a right wing talking point. Look at real data from state elections, interviews with credible AG's. Non-citizen voting is incredibly rare. Hard to take you seriously when you write stuff like this.

... Friend of mine from Denmark just returned from holiday in the US, cast his vote for Trump for shits and giggles on his way out…. Why not eh?
- Do tell me how someone on a holiday visa got registered to vote and commit fraud. Mind sending me their contact details as well? Since you see some concerned about voter fraud in the USA.

As to your statements about voter ID's. The only reason it's a hot button issue here is because it's usually part of a disingenuous voter suppression effort. I have zero issues with showing my ID voting in person. But we have a lot of vote by mail here too. where signatures are the verification step. Tons of representative democracies operate that way.
Very well @SaltAcidFatHeatAcid, you will not see a reaction, line of thought, or concern from me in this topic, to any of your posts in the future.

you can believe whatever the holy democrats downplay for your worldview 🙏
 

SaltAcidFatHeatAcid

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Very well @SaltAcidFatHeatAcid, you will not see a reaction, line of thought, or concern from me in this topic, to any of your posts in the future.

you can believe whatever the holy democrats downplay for your worldview 🙏
Or you could refute your change of subject and show all the evidence for voting by non citizens. I mean come on, it’s all there right? It’s surely been proven in court right?
 

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I think that, given the relatively high poverty rate in the US compared to EU states, forcing citizens to show their ID at voting booths is going to prevent a lot of people from being able to cast their vote. The president would then be decided by the more wealthy people, who I think should not be the only ones to represent a country.

While I don't think the story about a Dane being able to vote without proper proof of citizenship is entirely unplausible, Wikipedia says there's no reason to believe that the so-called "illegal aliens" are taking over the election as 98% of Democrats and 99% of Republicans have provided at least some sort of proof. I still think putting better identification laws in place would do the country good to prevent voter fraud from both outside and inside though, whether that's lowering the prices of IDs so that they can be made mandatory (since it's not the case in all states) or by registering every resident in a certain area and then cross-referencing each vote with said list of registered people.
 

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Or you could refute your change of subject and show all the evidence for voting by non citizens. I mean come on, it’s all there right? It’s surely been proven in court right?
...you want me to rebut you with data and stats of which you're already wholly convinced the "experts" have disproven them decisively...

...after, in a previous post(s)calling me a constant liar and bullshit artist, for pointing out an apparently exclusive right-wing problem 🤨 with non-citizen voting and the checks/balances involved in that..

...in an election that its tighter then a virgin, in terms of who's going to win (ergo, small margins really matter)..

..whilst questioning whether or not the near 200 court cases currently ongoing in the US concerning voter ID laws have all been proven, signed and settled.....



Please read my last post before this one.
 
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But not voting, or worse, voting for Trump, will result in far worse outcomes for Palestinians and those in Ukraine fighting for their freedom

John Mearschiemer might be the greatest foreign policy scientist and scholar of all time. His peers certainly regard him in that way. You should have a listen to his take on Palenstine and Ukraine. He's a liberal, but concludes that the Democrats and Republicans offer no meaningful difference in relation to whats going on with Israel. The outcomes dont change no matter who gets in.

For Ukraine, he is more favorable of Trump. He believes the war should be ended immediately, for a number of interesting reasons. He believes Trump offers the only path towards that, even if he considers it to be a difficult thing for him to achieve. Just compare Harris vs Trump rhetoric on the matter, its night and day.
 
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Jetflag

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John Mearschiemer might be the greatest foreign policy scientist and scholar of all time. His peers certainly regard him in that way. You should have a listen to his take on Palenstine and Ukraine. He's a liberal, but concludes that the Democrats and Republicans offer no meaningful difference in relation to whats going on with Israel. The outcomes dont change no matter who gets in.

For Ukraine, he is more favorable of Trump. He believes the war should be ended immediately, for a number of interesting reasons. He believes Trump offers the only path towards that, even if he considers it to be a difficult thing for him to achieve. Just compare Harris vs Trump rhetoric on the matter, its night and day.
its probably also part of the reason why Putin, rather trollingly, said Moscow would back Harris, in presidential elections, when asked who he, and by extend Russia, favors. Trump or Harris.

He is currently on the winning hand in the Donbass all things considered, and so if he can have a say in it, he will pick the weakest of the two candidates geopolitically speaking. in 2016 that was trump as compared with Clinton, in 2020 that was Biden, and now its Kamala, which, lets face it.. is basically Biden government2.0 diversity hire edition from the Kremlin's perspective.
 
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