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[dmgtz96]

I bet this guy got this question from the Simpsons.

Nikki Haley is a certified nut job. Her response is bullshit - it wasn't about states' rights or "freedom of speech," but about slavery. It was always about slavery.

 

[Progrez]

Nikki Haley is a certified nut job. Her response is bullshit - it wasn't about states' rights or "freedom of speech," but about slavery. It was always about slavery.

It's kinda odd some people are actually defending her in the comments and twisting what she actually meant. That last question she asked is making me wonder why she asked that last question?

 

[dmgtz96]

It's kinda odd some people are actually defending her in the comments and twisting what she actually meant. That last question she asked is making me wonder why she asked that last question?

She's basically doing the best she can to avoid the question. Republicans hate to be told that the civil war was about slavery, and instead they make up all bullshit reasons. Not only that, but in some states their lies are part of the public education curriculum because they forced schools to teach it that way

 

[Progrez]

She's basically doing the best she can to avoid the question. Republicans hate to be told that the civil war was about slavery, and instead they make up all bullshit reasons. Not only that, but in some states their lies are part of the public education curriculum because they forced schools to teach it that way

I am glad I basically didn't do any religious studies in Grade 6 at my school. I was told to sit outside everytime they had it but it was such a waste of time. Also, because I attended a public school I get treated different by pretty much everyone in the workplace especially the narcissists and based on an imaginary beliefs system which is no different than believing in ghosts at least that's what I think when it comes to religion and what's worse is science and religion mixed in together like scientology. I am still trying unlearn that rubbish religlion.

 

[dmgtz96]

The Harvard president stepped down from her post. And today was a good day.

 

[Progrez]

Is it just me or does this look like a deep fake?

 

[Jetflag]

na I don't think so.

DeSantis has something plasticy about him by default. Its basically what trademarked his whole run for president.

Textbook look, Textbook speaches, Textbook answers, Textbook, lifeless campain adds etc.

 

[Progrez]

na I don't think so.

DeSantis has something plasticy about him by default. Its basically what trademarked his whole run for president.

Textbook look, Textbook speaches, Textbook answers, Textbook, lifeless campain adds etc.

So much for him being the next ronald reagan

 

[nightslapper]

the overall belief in some global differences between these two sides of same shit medal is depressing, same as belief in good or bad leaders and their valuable impact in global political decisions.

US had president's from both parties ping-ponged over their entire history, getting elected with the opposite promises but the global political direction remains pretty much intact simply because its driven by economy, not by who's making speeches in front of the cameras.

just a shitshow to mislead the masses and it always has been that

 

[Jetflag]

it'll definitly be the determining factor in the upcoming elections at least:

Or in the words of James Carville as echoed by Bill Clinton quote:

"Its the economy, stupid"

 

[dmgtz96]

na I don't think so.

DeSantis has something plasticy about him by default. Its basically what trademarked his whole run for president.

Textbook look, Textbook speaches, Textbook answers, Textbook, lifeless campain adds etc.

Yeah, DeSantis has always looked strange. I think it's the combination of having a repulsive face due to his ideals and lack of charisma, plus the makeup/processing used in the media. DeSantis liked to play tough by proposing egregious policies in Florida and going against Disney, but at the end of the day he's just a loser that can't get shit done.

 

[dmgtz96]

the overall belief in some global differences between these two sides of same shit medal is depressing, same as belief in good or bad leaders and their valuable impact in global political decisions.

US had president's from both parties ping-ponged over their entire history, getting elected with the opposite promises but the global political direction remains pretty much intact simply because its driven by economy, not by who's making speeches in front of the cameras.

just a shitshow to mislead the masses and it always has been that

You should look up Project 2025. Republicans and Democrats are not the same, and anyone who says otherwise is disingenuous. Sure, both take major corporate $$, but only Republicans are trying to dismantle the checks and balances placed on the government and the president.

 

[Jetflag]

Went through their points “Checks and balances” are not the same as purging (foreign) ideological pollution and massive overreach and anyone who sais otherwise is disingenuous

 

[dmgtz96]

Went through their points “Checks and balances” are not the same as purging (foreign) ideological pollution and massive overreach and anyone who sais otherwise is disingenuous

False. The Republicans want to replace (largely) apolitical government employees with their cronies, who will disregard all the processes we have in place to prevent the executive branch from overriding the judicial and legislative branches. If you don't see what's wrong with that, then I can't help you. We clearly have very different ways in which we view the world.

 

[Jetflag]

False. The Republicans want to replace (largely) apolitical government employees with their cronies, who will disregard all the processes we have in place to prevent the executive branch from overriding the judicial and legislative branches. If you don't see what's wrong with that, then I can't help you. We clearly have very different ways in which we view the world.

First, the “anyone who sais otherwise is disingenuous” was a bit of a sneaky jab back at you for calling any disagreeing opponent disingenuous from the het go before even hearing his or her (counter) argument

second. Your argument a priori assumes that said institutions are still apolitical to begin with which is a dubious position to say the least. After the whole Epstein debacle I think it’s not a stretch to assume that the FBI for instance is at the very least at some level politically compromised, and I am not even going to mention things like education or the militairy… Making a “crony of x political party” an existing problem, not one they’re creatingor wanting to create

The way I read this is the American right’s clumsy attempt to re-conquer (part) of the institutions currently predominantly already occupied by your camp, the American left.

fair enough

what I find tremendously foolish of project 2025 and the likes is that they announce, open and blunt that they’re going to do it . IQ of 70 Machiavellionism…This is going to lead to all sorts of friction, part of which based on the points you mentioned…Whereas the, shall we say, cultural Marxist elements mentioned in their manifesto have done so for years if not decades, stealthy under their noses, and they’ve just found out

 

[dmgtz96]

First, the “anyone who sais otherwise is disingenuous” was a bit of a sneaky jab back at you for calling any disagreeing opponent disingenuous from the het go before even hearing his or her (counter) argument

There isn't a good argument for both sides are the same centrism when one side keeps trying to strip people's rights away. I do see how snarky my original comment comes off, though. There *are* aspects where both sides is true - those are largely economic, where politicians are largely accountable to their lobbyist (corporate bribes) instead of the public. Socially, both parties are *very* different.

second. Your argument a priori assumes that said institutions are still apolitical to begin with which is a dubious position to say the least. After the whole Epstein debacle I think it’s not a stretch to assume that the FBI for instance is at the very least at some level politically compromised, and I am not even going to mention things like education or the militairy… Making a “crony of x political party” an existing problem, not one they’re creatingor wanting to create

Hmm I'd say the military is pretty right, unless you were just giving general examples of institutions that lean one way or the other. Education is fairly left, yeah. I think the idea of apolitical government institutions pertains to the people responsible for actually carrying out policies/political plans, so federal employees everywhere. Their job is to carry out policies regardless of who is at the helm. Currently, employees who would vote democratic still have to carry out the plans of a republican president (and vice-versa), since that's their job. With project 2025, all employees will lean toward Trump, or whoever the Republican president is. That is not how government is supposed to be.

The way I read this is the American right’s clumsy attempt to re-conquer (part) of the institutions currently predominantly already occupied by your camp, the American left.

fair enough

what I find tremendously foolish of project 2025 and the likes is that they announce, open and blunt that they’re going to do it . IQ of 70 Machiavellionism…This is going to lead to all sorts of friction, part of which based on the points you mentioned…Whereas the, shall we say, cultural Marxist elements mentioned in their manifesto have done so for years if not decades, stealthy under their noses, and they’ve just found out

That's what's scary about it. They're being so open about their plans that I wouldn't doubt for a moment they would immediately carry out project 2025 once a Republican president is elected.
Given Trump's mental decline, that probably won't happen this year. But it is disturbing that a very powerful right wing group wants to dismantle democracy at its core.

 

[nightslapper]

I'll keep it rather simple phrased excuse me this

I don't care much about their inner politics differences, the shit they bring to outer world remains too much of the same no matter ones or the others

 

[nightslapper]

But it is disturbing that a very powerful right wing group wants to dismantle democracy at its core.

the so called 'democracy' in a nowadays world means nothing but the 'power of the democrats', all these fluffy billshit about democracy, freedom etcblablabla, I dunno how a mature human beings buy that shit

 

[Jetflag]

There isn't a good argument for both sides are the same centrism when one tries to strip people’s rights away

this is not you but propaganda talking, a republican opponent will counter this, with either COVID lockdown restrictions in democrat controlled states or cities 2021 and/or attempts at curtailing 2a and he or she’d be right

bottom line: both parties will, if they can, take peoples rights away if it’s in line with their desire for power or ideology.

Socially, both parties are *very* different.

On that we agree

But it is disturbing that a very powerful right wing group wants to dismantle democracy at its core.

Not dismantle at its core but they do have a different (democratic) system in mind with less “rich men north of richmond”/ washington swamp if you will.

personally i have to admit I’m conflicted on this, though to a degree sympathetic.

I don’t think you should toy to much with how your country was set up, left way or right.

 

[Jetflag]

the so called 'democracy' in a nowadays world means nothing but the 'power of the democrats'.

The term democracy is anno now, much like the term fascist, a misused one I’ll grant you but in @dmgtz96 s defence I don’t think he uses it like that In this convo (we’ve been there, trust me )