Did trance ever have any "scandals?"

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In other genres of music (like pop), scandals can make or break artists' careers.

I was wondering, did trance ever have any "scandals"? Or is the most scandalous thing that DJs/producers ever did was use ghost producers? Maybe someone took credit for someone else's work?

I want to know, dang it
 

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I personally think the whole scandal thing is a waste of brain power and it's nothing more celebrity gossip.

Unfortunately, this topic is a common thing


This happened in EDM




 

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Wow that trance energy one is awful. Imagine paying $200 for a ticket to a rave, only to have to go home at 10:30 PM because of the sheer incompetence by the venue's management. Never mind the people who ended up in the hospital because they got some shitty drug off another raver.

I had completely forgotten about the Deadmau5 scandals, with the lawsuit and his tweets against everyone. I do remember hearing Tomorroworld that year was not a good time. Kinda like Fyre Festival before Fyre Festival was a thing.
the festival's organizers decided it would be best to limit transportation service to and from the event grounds, stranding tens of thousands of soggy ravers on the come down

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many of those stuck at the festival spent the night passed out on the ground, sleeping on cardboard pizza boxes, or trekking through mud for miles on a dark single lane road in attempts to access shuttles and Ubers that weren't allowed to pull up to the festival's gate.
rofl yet more incompetent management

Lmao, I did not know Mat Zo was the one who opened the can of worms about ghost producers.

The SFX one... well,
In 2012, SFX represented Robert Sillerman's dream: an EDM company that would show the world how the dance music explosion could be monetized into big bucks
This just sounds like a terrible idea. Looking at the Wiki page of SFX (now LiveStyle), the company filed for bankruptcy the next year, and Sillerman stepped down as CEO

and YES, Ten Walls bit the hand that fed him. Dude's music just screams "gay bar", but then it turns out he's in fact homophobic. Nope, #cancelled
 

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Breakfast's rant how Ferry stole like 10k from him that made him disappear from the scene for a while, whatever happened there...
 
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From 2019, Gatecrasher didn't pay DJs and staffs

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From 2019, Gatecrasher didn't pay DJs and staffs

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Jesus, the Gatecrasher people are actual pieces of shit

Breakfast's rant how Ferry stole like 10k from him that made him disappear from the scene for a while, whatever happened there...
huh
It hurts me over and over again, every day, to remember so many attacks against me, my work and my existence. This is for the record. Ferry Corsten is a liar and his wife is a thief. They stole my entire catalog and $15,000.. as well as royalty money that stopped being paid to me since 2011. That's right, "The Horizon", "The Sunlight" and many more were stolen from me by these thieves. Haven't seen a dime since 2011. Mike Saint-Jules is a thief who stole my melodies for his records in 2012, specifically a song called "Mars". My neighbor tried to steal my identity and scam someone for a "record deal". The truth hurts doesn't it? Now it's here for everyone to see. - Casey
oh snap. From the reddit thread. Sounds like Breakfast had a lot going on at the time.
In a comment by a redditor,
I immensely respect Casey as a producer and love a lot of his music work (in particular Breakfast - Remember is somewhere near the top of "best trance tracks ever" for me), but I follow him on Twitter, and he seems a little... off the rails lately. He goes on and on about conspiracy theories, extreme political stuff, etc etc, and complains that Twitter censors him somehow.
Yikes, Breakfast sounds just like one of those free speech MAGAs :/
 
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Yeah the Gatescrasher's is a very recent one and I still remember I was just thinking of heading into venues across the UK trying to get a dj spot in places that played trance. I forgot the name, but at that time a fairly big dj producer (uplifting trance one) was in charge of the gatecrashers events, I remember I stopped playing/listening his music for a while and then forgot who was it....

Edit: I was fairly certain, but went to check it was Scott Bond.

 
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Warning, this is a long post (about long sets)
So today I was thinking one of the key reasons lots of dance music these days is, well, a bit shit, is not because of cakes or mashups or any of the usual stuff we've come to blame, but because of the way we’ve squeezed down set lengths from the 3+ hours that used to be standard five years ago, to the 1 hour or at the most 90 minutes you tend to get today. You don't get the chance to play non-obvious music in sets that length and most acts (including me from time to time) revert to smashing out the hits.
This is how bad it's got. A few years back, at a European festival, I was sitting in my trailer 15 minutes before my set time when the promoter ran in freaking out and wanting me to start early because the act before me (currently one of the biggest acts in the world) had walked off stage saying “we don’t have any more music”. They were scheduled for 75 minutes, but thought they were only playing an hour, so at dead on 60 minutes, they pressed stop, and fucked off leaving 10,000 fans with silence.
OK, so that's an extreme example, but the fact is when you’re doing a 90 minute peak time set in a club, and the opener ends with a mashup of Calvin Harris, Martin Garrix and Knife Party, that ain’t a good time to build up slow and start your set with Eric Prydz or Hot Since 82. Trust me, I’ve tried. So you end up starting hard and never going back, then looking woefully at your playlist at the end of the night at all the amazing lesser known music you wanted to play but didn’t.
Anyway, I love doing long sets, being able to open for myself, build up a room, doing those few hours of the nights where every track doesn’t need to be a crowd-pleasing slammer, instead choosing delicious, bubbling groove based music that sets the mood for people entering the venue and slowly but surely gets them onto the dancefloor. After all every main course needs an appetizer (unless you’re at McDonalds).
So this year, I’ve been trying to play a little longer when I can, doing all night at the Hollywood Palladium last year, and at for Miami Music Week this year, and both were amazing. I got to do my own warm up, playing music that I’d never usually get to play (but you hear in Electric For Life each week), then my own peak time set, then my own closing set, where I got to bang out the trance including lots of my own classics.
Problem is, a lot of promoters are not really into the idea of longer sets, because they think that fans, particularly in North America, ‘aren’t ready’ or ‘aren’t interested’ in hearing artists play longer.
I disagree. I heard the same shit before I released Drive: “Why are you doing an album man? The album is dead... all people want to hear now is singles: release some singles on Spinnin’ and fuck the album” and I think going with my instincts and making sure Drive got released against the advice of many around me was one of the best decisions I’ve made.
Music should always be more important than marketing.
Anyway this is coming across as a bit negative, which it's not. One thing I have always tried to do is to lead by example, and be the change you want to see, rather than just complain about it on social media, and to have written all this without offering an alternative would have felt somewhat hollow.
So, this week I'm announcing the Electric For Life tour staring in November. On these shows, happily I get to program them myself, so I'll be playing all night, open to close, with amazing production, some live acoustic elements, with music across a whole range of styles, in three of the world’s greatest cites, broadcast live across the world.
What better chance could there be to show the world that we ARE ready? Let’s fucking do this.



The Post has been removed but this is another one.

And also Armin interviewing David Guetta on his show.
 
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compared to the "he slept with this and now is married to that" esq hollywood drama you often encounter in the pop-scene I'm pleased to conclude that the trance scene is fairly devoid of such nonsense
 
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compared to the "he slept with this and now is married to that" esq hollywood drama you often encounter in the pop-scene I'm pleased to conclude that the trance scene is fairly devoid of such nonsense

"Omg he was caught doing drugs :eek:"

Edit: the (relative) lack of drama is one of the best things about trance. If another genre you're listening to starts getting problematic and full of drama, you can always come back here and take a break from the nonsense
 
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Can’t think of anything outside of the usual bitchyness (Thinking of the ATB vs PvD spat of the early 2000’s) or song stealing accusations (Blue Fear/Like This Like That)

Even the ghost producing thing gets glossed over these days.

Certainly nothing as dramatic as the Happy Hardcore scene had with DJ Sy 10 years ago:


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Can’t think of anything outside of the usual bitchyness (Thinking of the ATB vs PvD spat of the early 2000’s) or song stealing accusations (Blue Fear/Like This Like That)

Even the ghost producing thing gets glossed over these days.

Certainly nothing as dramatic as the Happy Hardcore scene had with DJ Sy 10 years ago:


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Can you tell me a little bit more of the ATB vs PvD?

Is it this one or it predates it?


Edit: BTW I have a story that makes me inclined to believe more Andre's side of the story. This is how he became my idol, apart from being my favourite producer.

So in 2008 I am browsing the Bulgarian ATB fan page and my heart skips a beat, he is finally coming in Bulgaria and furthermore it's free entrance party. The advert is still on YouTube(lol) and fake one for next year (strange). So I drop everything make plans and take one of my best friends and we are off to see him. Line up was great Velvet and Crystal Waters as warm ups and ATB as headliner.

So the warm up was actually pretty great to be fair. Even if the weather was shit and super windy. So warm ups play and the whole day there is a negative vibe everyone we ask about ATB from the staff dodges the question. How very weird?

So its about an hour and he is still not coming out, everyone is cryptic, but I keep my faith that we are going to see him. Eventually we gave up and we took three girls that we hanged out to a bar nearby. Eventually everyone is tired and they straight up ask us if we want to go to hotel together, we refused which is one of life's greatest regrets since I've never been closer to an orgy. Oh well...

So we went to a bunch more bars and clubs and had a great night.

Aftermath:

We are in the bus station exhausted ( I had to travel 7 hour to get there lol and spend the whole night on the go) and we see these two gorgeous girl and we eventually start talking. So we are, well we came too see ATB and they are 'Isn't is great we saw him'. We are thinking 'Oh that some great sarcasm there' and they pull out their phones and show as selfies with him'. WTAF, turns out he came out 15 min after we left (took me another 7 years to see him live when I moved to London).

OFC there was a big drama. So they advertised the whole party free, but when Andre came they said other acts were free and he is playing a private afterparty for a bunch of rich fuckers. The party was for the birthday of a bookmaker house and the richest person in Bulgaria in that time. Now this makes him stand as a great person, maybe a little bit of ego too, but still. He basically told them to shove their money up... He said that unless they let the fans outside that he actually was responsible since he put the message it's free party to see him, they can have their money and he is not playing. Eventually they caved in let everybody in the club. It's a club on the beach so the other acts played on stage on the sand, but he was supposed to play in the club.

So he is untouchable now in my mind, that kind of integrity is very rare in the music industry. Furthermore through the years I've heard Andre was one of the nicest artists to his fans.

It does not help that I despise Pvd for his remarks against Lasgo, Ian Van Dahl, DJ Sammy and their music.
 
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Can you tell me a little bit more of the ATB vs PvD?

Is it this one or it predates it?


Edit: BTW I have a story that makes me inclined to believe more Andre's side of the story. This is how he became my idol, apart from being my favourite producer.

So in 2008 I am browsing the Bulgarian ATB fan page and my heart skips a beat, he is finally coming in Bulgaria and furthermore it's free entrance party. The advert is still on YouTube(lol) and fake one for next year (strange). So I drop everything make plans and take one of my best friends and we are off to see him. Line up was great Velvet and Crystal Waters as warm ups and ATB as headliner.

So the warm up was actually pretty great to be fair. Even if the weather was shit and super windy. So warm ups play and the whole day there is a negative vibe everyone we ask about ATB from the staff dodges the question. How very weird?

So its about an hour and he is still not coming out, everyone is cryptic, but I keep my faith that we are going to see him. Eventually we gave up and we took three girls that we hanged out to a bar nearby. Eventually everyone is tired and they straight up ask us if we want to go to hotel together, we refused which is one of life's greatest regrets since I've never been closer to an orgy. Oh well...

So we went to a bunch more bars and clubs and had a great night.

Aftermath:

We are in the bus station exhausted ( I had to travel 7 hour to get there lol and spend the whole night on the go) and we see these two gorgeous girl and we eventually start talking. So we are, well we came too see ATB and they are 'Isn't is great we saw him'. We are thinking 'Oh that some great sarcasm there' and they pull out their phones and show as selfies with him'. WTAF, turns out he came out 15 min after we left (took me another 7 years to see him live when I moved to London).

OFC there was a big drama. So they advertised the whole party free, but when Andre came they said other acts were free and he is playing a private afterparty for a bunch of rich fuckers. The party was for the birthday of a bookmaker house and the richest person in Bulgaria in that time. Now this makes him stand as a great person, maybe a little bit of ego too, but still. He basically told them to shove their money up... He said that unless they let the fans outside that he actually was responsible since he put the message it's free party to see him, they can have their money and he is not playing. Eventually they caved in let everybody in the club. It's a club on the beach so the other acts played on stage on the sand, but he was supposed to play in the club.

So he is untouchable now in my mind, that kind of integrity is very rare in the music industry. Furthermore through the years I've heard Andre was one of the nicest artists to his fans.

It does not help that I despise Pvd for his remarks against Lasgo, Ian Van Dahl, DJ Sammy and their music.
I’m not sure on the details to be honest, I just remember there being an ongoing thing relating to the incident of ATB being dropped from a lineup supposedly due to PvD.
 
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"Omg he was caught doing drugs :eek:"

Edit: the (relative) lack of drama is one of the best things about trance. If another genre you're listening to starts getting problematic and full of drama, you can always come back here and take a break from the nonsense
I rather take drama than shitty music