One would expect a true "intellectual" to use clear and concise language and make their point, instead of hiding behind mumbo-jumbo and talking a lot without saying anything of substance. This is the problem people have with JP.
The problem people have with JP is mostly confirmation bias/ projection. His first big youtube interview to this is day is the best example of that. also. read any manifesto, political or ideological, and you'll find it to be a long swath of mumbo-jumbo especially the intro's. Karl Marx being a prime example. thats just the nature of the beast. JP is no exception in this.
In an ideal world, yes, your proposal would be correct. We're not there yet, and the rise of MGTOW MRA is concerning for the future of society.
They are and will remain a reaction to Feminism/Identity politics. thats what created it, and so thats is not going to solve it, nor any other form of identity politics based strategy, sex or skin based.
So if you are concerned with them being in your future society, you need an alternative strategy for them and
one that doesn't generate more.
Jordan Peterson is well known as the gateway to alt-right content. It's him, then Ben Shapiro, then Joe Rogan and Musk, and finally Andrew Tate.
This has to be the most pervasive (left pushed) lie about the man. Wrong
Jordan Peterson is the gateway OUT of the alt right or Incel culture. which is why both groups despise him.
Lets get our definitions straight here. The Alt-Right are Ethno nationalists/white supremacists. So people like Richard Spencer. What led to their rise was everybody doing identity politics and the game of who's is most oppressed, which they happily latched onto. Their shtick is something like "well if everybody is going to do identity politics, then so are we are we, the Whites, are going to win" They mostly listen to content like Millenial Woes, and vote for candidates endorsing said identity politics (who're more often then not Democrats, like Yang)
They don't like Jordan Peterson precisely because he's anti- identity politics, pro merrit.
They also don't like Ben Shapiro because 1 he's a Jew which this group doesn't like for obvious reasons and because he also, is ANTI- identity politics a
They don't like Elon Musk because he's anti- identity politics. and very much pro merrit/liberatarian. which means all of his companies are hired to the brim with "disgusting non-whites and women of privulige" at least according to the Alt-right and the Incels. etc.
and so on:
now they might be "well known" in the circles you reside in as the gateway to the alt-right, but its demonstrably not true and I think one big Cope-aganda from the left who'll do anything to paint him as whatever's most evil to them.
One thing I want to try is open up Youtube on an Incognito window, click on the latest Jordan Peterson video and then see how quickly I get Andrew Tate videos.
I don't see how JP has anything to say about Youtube's algorithm so i don't see how that ownace is on him
but coo! we can compare
. from Vision from conservatives part 2 so far i've got Maggate Wade on how black lives truly matter, a motivational video on how to stop lying to yourself, Maajid Nawaz on nbc, A Swedish interview, and Kathy beeping Newman (ofcourse). What do you got?
I then for good measure youtubed Andrew Tate/Jordan peterson and i've got two video's in where Tate mocks Peterson for his prescribed clinical depression medication, and a reactionairy video where he quote: "Andrew has some words for Jordan and his Daughter Mikhaila"
Right.. not the bestest of buddies it seems.
Jordan Peterson, for his academic credentials and intellect, is used as the validation for MRA/incel/alt-right beliefs. "Hey, here's a smart guy saying the same things we have been saying."
No, he's is not, and no, he doesn't.
MRA circles, Incels and Alt-right do
not endorse, nor like, Jordan B Peterson and you can look this up yourself.
The man's hate mail, and that of people like Shapiro is roughtly 50/50 split between: "you hate women/ you're a nazi" from the left. and "you hate men/ are a jewish shill" from the incels/far right.
which is it going to be fellas? I can't be both at the same time.
The dark corners of the internet that you're mentioning are alt-right, though.
White supremacist forums are Alt-right, Incel forums, with 50% minorities and men of colour are not. neither of which again endorse or like Jordan B Peterson and his content/ views.
Liberal/left-wing disagrees with misogyny. If the guys were liberal but then became jaded because women kept rejecting them, and then turned to alt-right incel/misogynistic sites, then they're no longer liberal. They've turned far right.
yup they have. They're not conservative anymore either. Keeps beggin the question: if this ideology that tells them they're worthless evil male scum and potentiall rapists and what has ultimatly léd them to this position. what gets them out of it?
I guess even true/proper conservatives don't want them.
Example thread from r/IncelTear
Yup, nobody wants anything to do with them, which is why the problem will fester till the next terrorist strike and beyond.
Abortion is not child murder.
I didn't say it was. What I said was you could equally end up with a big federal government
who thinks it is. and then you'd have what you falsely claim is happening now. namely a full abortion ban in the states, which I think we can all agree on is a terrible thing.
again>This is the eternal fallacy of thinking bigger government is going to solve the problem.