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[dmgtz96]

Perhaps you dudes should stay in your in lane on this topic FFS.

Guys for the most part wanted to stay in their lane but found a home in the American right. If you're a young guy, there really isn't much of a reason to support Dems.

 

[Jetflag]

100% agreed, and a what was written above (instilled) translates to: women aren't deciding based on rational fears of their own development - someone is making them fear. My dude, women have autonomy and can make their own mind up about how the upcoming admin will affect them. And yeah, perhaps not the best take on a trance website which is likely 99.9% male.

yes. the 4B tiktokkers we where talking about initially, are very rationally, with nothing but their own agency and 0 external influence hysterically screaming and shaving their heads to become "nuns against the broliarchy" because said women have autonomy you see, and are therefor islands in society and online apparently.

how could I not see this before .....Must be my penis and XY chromosones.


Edit: that was a cheap jab. sorry....But come on man, Nobody here sais women don't have freewill and decision making capacities, but lets not pretend that an environment isn't crucial to shaping one's worldview and/or (over) reaction to something. People, not just 4b tiktok women, aren't rational creatures under duress/stress. artifical or no. and that fact has nothing to do, or to don't, with this forum being a stallion fest or not

 

[Jetflag]

Guys for the most part wanted to stay in their lane but found a home in the American right. If you're a young guy, there really isn't much of a reason to support Dems.

I think if the dems get back to what was their initial root-succes story...the Unions, health, opportunity etc. basically making things better for the average working majority American, in terms of support/infrastructure.. they won't need to focus on any group, gender or race. People will automatically flock back.

 

[Archon]

There's nothing wrong with what I said.

Edit: to explain why: society felt entitled to men's vote. Men turned their back on society and voted for the man who promises to destroy the status quo.

No, I'm not arguing the truthfulness of your statement, just analizing how silly it all has become.

 

[dmgtz96]

No, I'm not arguing the truthfulness of your statement, just analizing how silly it all has become.

Ah, I see. I misinterpreted what you meant.

 

[dmgtz96]

Deny. Defend. Depose.

 

[LostLegend]

 

[LostLegend]

Currently reading George Orwell’s ‘Homage to Catalonia’ a memoir of his time fighting in the Spanish civil war in the late 1930’s.
Some things, it seems, never change:

 

[Jetflag]

Babes thread is that way m8

 

[Jetflag]

@LostLegend
@Julian Del Agranda

 

[Progrez]

This store makes shop near my house and they had this outside.

 

[LostLegend]

Elon openly supporting Tommy Robinson (aka Stephen Yaxley Lennon) on X there.
This is why Elon is dangerous at times. He either hasn't bothered properly looking into who Robinson is and is taking him at face value, or he is knowingly supporting a multi-convicted con-man, racist, grifting piece-of-shit on his platform.

Too many of Elon's international supporters (Who aren;t aware of his reputation in the UK) are buying into the 'freedom of speech' lie that follows Robinson like a bad smell (No, he's a fucking criminal playing the role of a free speech martyr) and clearly are not interested in actually looking into who this guy is.

 

[Jetflag]

I don’t think you have bothered looking carefully looked into who Robinson is and taken the UK’s establishment constant smear campaign against him at face value. Especially on the “he’s obviously a racist!” Front.

I recommend watching the full two interviews tammy and Jordan Peterson did with Tommy Robinson @LostLegend if you have the time.

Robinson has his flaws, but he is also definitely a hero of free speech who well deserved the Sappho Award awarded by the Danish free press society for bringing to light the rape of 10’s of thousand of British children and young girls.

 

[LostLegend]

I don’t think you have bothered looking carefully looked into who Robinson is and taken the UK’s establishment constant smear campaign against him at face value.

Incorrect.
I have been aware of this con-artists tricks for many years.

Tell me, what do you think he is currently in prison for? And what was he in prison for before that?

 

[Jetflag]

Incorrect.
I have been aware of this con-artists tricks for many years.

have you watched said open interviews then?

Tell me, what do you think he is currently in prison for? And what was he in prison for before that?

Damaging someone’s reputation and contempt of court.

both crimes I think he should be convicted for mind you, just not with the sentence currently given. Which is utterly disproportionate.

 

[LostLegend]

have you watched said open interviews then?

I don’t know how much attention he gets where you are, but he’s been a public figure here for well over a decade. I’m not just jumping onto some bandwagon here and I’m not judging him based on any smear campaign, I’m judging him based on his actions.

I saw some of the Peterson interview. It was good publicity for him as he got to, once again, publicly play the victim and make a lot of untrue and dubious claims unchallenged.
The talks he does where people actually challenge his bullshit are much more entertaining, like when Akala absolutely tore him to shreds on Question Time a few years ago:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtube.com

So let’s look at why all his talk of wanting to “protect kids” is a lie.
He has talked a lot about the grooming gangs in Rotherham, but seems less interested in the number of notable members of his former group the EDL who have been convicted of child sex offences over the years.
The UK far right community has a huge paedophile problem, yet he seems to have no interest in cleaning his own house:

The EDL have paedophiles in their ranks but Tommy Robinson evidently doesn’t condemn them

‘Tommy Robinson’, former leader of the English Defence League arrested. A senior member of the English Defence Leagure (EDL), a far-right group which has a long history of tirades that …

politicsandinsights.org

Damaging someone’s reputation and contempt of court.

The current sentence for a for contempt of court. He libelled a 15yo child (I thought he wanted to protect children?) was fined and ordered to stop harassing the boy.
He repeated the libellous claims in his recent “documentary”. I believe he did this on purpose knowing the video would then get pulled by streaming services (as it contains libellous content) and he’d get slapped with a short sentence.


He then dressed it up as a ‘freedom of speech’ matter (It’s not, libel is a thing in the US as well even with the 1A) He then fled the country claiming he was hiding out with his wife and kids fearing for his life (he was found in 5* spa resort in Cyprus)

What part of that does Elon think he should be freed for? What part of that is due to a media smear?

Let’s talk about his previous conviction (He has quite a few of them)

He attempted to derail a trial of one of these grooming gangs by filming himself at the court. The trial had reporting restrictions to avoid the jury being tainted. “He also approached defendants and told his followers to “harass them”.

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon committed to prison for contempt of court

Yaxley-Lennon was sentenced today after being found to be in contempt of court by the High Court on July 5.

www.gov.uk

Is this a media smear, or filming himself trying to derail a trial. If he was successful, the trial could have been abandoned and the men would have walked free depriving the victims of justice. The victims he claims to be in support of.

Shall we also talk about his other convictions for fraud? Or for trying to enter the US on a false passport?

Leader of the English Defence League, Stephen Lennon, is jailed for

Lennon, who had previously been refused entry to the US, used a passport in the name of Andrew McMaster

www.independent.co.uk

I could carry on if you want? He’s really not a very nice person and someone you should do your research on before throwing your backing behind.

There’s a reason even Farage won’t touch him with a long pole:

Nigel Farage distances himself from Elon Musk on Tommy Robinson - BBC News

Tech billionaire Elon Musk has voiced support for jailed far-right activist Tommy Robinson.

www.bbc.com

Which could go some way to explaining this:

 

[LostLegend]

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[Jetflag]

I don’t know how much attention he gets where you are, but he’s been a public figure here for well over a decade. I’m not just jumping onto some bandwagon here and I’m not judging him based on any smear campaign, I’m judging him based on his actions.

I saw some of the Peterson interview. It was good publicity for him as he got to, once again, publicly play the victim and make a lot of untrue and dubious claims unchallenged.
The talks he does where people actually challenge his bullshit are much more entertaining, like when Akala absolutely tore him to shreds on Question Time a few years ago:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtube.com

So let’s look at why all his talk of wanting to “protect kids” is a lie.
He has talked a lot about the grooming gangs in Rotherham, but seems less interested in the number of notable members of his former group the EDL who have been convicted of child sex offences over the years.
The UK far right community has a huge paedophile problem, yet he seems to have no interest in cleaning his own house:

The EDL have paedophiles in their ranks but Tommy Robinson evidently doesn’t condemn them

‘Tommy Robinson’, former leader of the English Defence League arrested. A senior member of the English Defence Leagure (EDL), a far-right group which has a long history of tirades that …

politicsandinsights.org

The current sentence for a for contempt of court. He libelled a 15yo child (I thought he wanted to protect children?) was fined and ordered to stop harassing the boy.
He repeated the libellous claims in his recent “documentary”. I believe he did this on purpose knowing the video would then get pulled by streaming services (as it contains libellous content) and he’d get slapped with a short sentence.


He then dressed it up as a ‘freedom of speech’ matter (It’s not, libel is a thing in the US as well even with the 1A) He then fled the country claiming he was hiding out with his wife and kids fearing for his life (he was found in 5* spa resort in Cyprus)

What part of that does Elon think he should be freed for? What part of that is due to a media smear?

Let’s talk about his previous conviction (He has quite a few of them)

He attempted to derail a trial of one of these grooming gangs by filming himself at the court. The trial had reporting restrictions to avoid the jury being tainted. “He also approached defendants and told his followers to “harass them”.

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon committed to prison for contempt of court

Yaxley-Lennon was sentenced today after being found to be in contempt of court by the High Court on July 5.

www.gov.uk

Is this a media smear, or filming himself trying to derail a trial. If he was successful, the trial could have been abandoned and the men would have walked free depriving the victims of justice. The victims he claims to be in support of.

Shall we also talk about his other convictions for fraud? Or for trying to enter the US on a false passport?

Leader of the English Defence League, Stephen Lennon, is jailed for

Lennon, who had previously been refused entry to the US, used a passport in the name of Andrew McMaster

www.independent.co.uk

I could carry on if you want? He’s really not a very nice person and someone you should do your research on before throwing your backing behind.

There’s a reason even Farage won’t touch him with a long pole:

Nigel Farage distances himself from Elon Musk on Tommy Robinson - BBC News

Tech billionaire Elon Musk has voiced support for jailed far-right activist Tommy Robinson.

www.bbc.com

Which could go some way to explaining this:

Cant see the twitter links on this device m8 but I’m sure there funny.. I’ve been following the Robinson scandal from since 2016 or so, and I was initially idd on the camp of him being nothing more then a white supremist thug, to find out later that no, he actually isn’t.

Lets sum up the crimes you mentioned.

• The crime of trying to film child rapists at a trial.
• The aforementioned reputation damage, which, lets face it, is an iffy one. He assumed intention, the “victim” denied & won.
• Not “respecting” the court,
• Not speaking “enough” on potential pedo’s in the edl, which he did and after the massive scandal that was Rotherham honestly feels a bit like a gaslight “TuQuoQue” from paper in question.
• Not having his travel documentation in order.
• Not liked by Farage,
• And I’m sure there’s a few parking tickets in there as well.

Now I’ll say it again yeah..yes the man has his flaws. He’s prone to talk first think later and a bit of a rebel to the establishment who systematically failed him and his native community. Not surprising given the harsh working class “multiculti” environment he grew up under. And no that doesn’t excuse defacto or dejure libel.


But I agree with musk in the sense that I think the “crimes” he committed are utterly inferior to the crimes,and institutions that systematically covered those up, he exposed, and for which the holy powers that be blatantly hate him. Because it was them who created this problem. Not the edl or Lennon’s charming personality for that matter. They’re a reaction to it.


Saying Tommy Robinson is a “convicted criminal” is a bit like saying Robin Hood is one under King Johns rule. Yes, “technical” it’s true. But it doesn’t really cover the ethical load of it now does it?



I guess what bugs me most about the whole Robinson detractor thing I’m seeing you, or anyone else for that matter, while you have your fine reasons and with respect @LostLegend, pull up..

Is the absolute crickets at the time over young girls being stabbed and mass raped thanks to Blairist immigration policies, until his documentairy blew up, (and thank god it did or it would have went on.) but by God, are we all up in arms and outraged over hurt feelings, mean tweets, travel documents and “contempt of court”.

So to answer your question. At least from my end..This is where I think Musk, and in part me, (though I do agree with some of what you’re saying) are coming from. When “supporting” Robinson or at the very least condemning a disproportionate and clearly politically driven 18 month,, isolation cell sentence.

 

[facade1984]

Elon and "Tommy" are a right couple of dumbfucks, that's about as eloquently as I can put it

 

[facade1984]

Maybe it's because I grew up with a narcissistic mother or something but I see right through Elon, he's such a thin skinned man baby