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^go on then?
Nah I am not trying to dispute nor prove your arguments, I don't even wish to participate. I had issues with how you communicated it.

If you shout rape, what are you fighting against and how does it help fight that? How does it affect other people and their understanding of it? How does it affect morally corrupt politicians who want to be in power?

But if you say you do not want to be forcibly injected with a medicine, you've clearly identified what is the actual issue, and then you can look at which laws and regulations govern that, see who's responsible for making those changes, and campaign directly against that.

The former is just pure social warrior/mob mentality, the latter seems much more reasonable and directly impactful in my estimation.
 
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To me it's just using big words and being dramatic and overexaggerating to justify your beliefs and prove your point (and gather supporters - nobody wants to be raped, right?). Something politicians also do.
Exactly
This makes no sense. Why would Russian secret services force the vaccine upon anyone? Isn't Putin firmly in the anti-vaxx, fuck up the west camp?
Not saying it's not real, just that it doesn't make sense.
 
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This makes no sense. Why would Russian secret services force the vaccine upon anyone? Isn't Putin firmly in the anti-vaxx, fuck up the west camp?
Not saying it's not real, just that it doesn't make sense.
Yeah why would any autoritarian dictator force anything upon its citizens? 😅 truly unheard of. You're talking about the guy who keeps murdering journalists and making the opposition "dissapear".

It makes perfect sense. Putin is in competition with the west, and one of those areas is biomedical. The Sputnik vaccin was infact one of the first to be released

The video @BladeRunner_ posted is scare-tactic 101.

"Go get the vaccine or we'll ram it into you"
 
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Nah I am not trying to dispute nor prove your arguments, I don't even wish to participate. I had issues with how you communicated it.
fair enough. again I think i've made clear why i communicated it the way I did. I genuinly believe the term is appropriate.
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If you shout rape, what are you fighting against and how does it help fight that? How does it affect other people and their understanding of it? How does it affect morally corrupt politicians who want to be in power?
how is not calling a spade a spade help with that? I used the term because I think its appropriate.

But if you say you do not want to be forcibly injected with a medicine, you've clearly identified what is the actual issue, and then you can look at which laws and regulations govern that, see who's responsible for making those changes, and campaign directly against that.
no you didn't. The issue is an ethical one. you've just expressed a desire without going into why its unethical/ wrong to be (medically) forced upon.

The former is just pure social warrior/mob mentality, the latter seems much more reasonable and directly impactful in my estimation.
lol what? no its not. how is calling a spade a spade "mob mentality" 😅 Look, I get you don't like the way I call out whats happening, but that i'm sorry to say so is just subjective.

when Floyd was choked. you don't label that as "well this is an expression of the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to inherited attributes and can be divided based on the superiority of one racce over another.

you call it racism/ police brutality.
 

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Bit harsh, no? If we want to keep the arguments logical, shouldn't we watch the language we use and be as precise as possible?

As I've pointed out before, this kind of over-the-top, ridiculously emotive language is symptomatic of someone who is too deep into this to try and reason with. Their mind is gone.

Just look at the amount of angry words being typed here. This person doesn't even live in the country being affected by this.
 
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Please tell me you weren't posting this seriously?


VERDICT

Satire.  The video is a clip taken from a fictional comedy sketch, not a real vaccination campaign in Russia.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our work to fact-check social media posts here .

All this is a simple Google search away, lads.

No surprise to see who took it entirely at face value 🤦
 

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Yeah why would any autoritarian dictator force anything upon its citizens? 😅 truly unheard of. You're talking about the guy who keeps murdering journalists and making the opposition "dissapear".

It makes perfect sense. Putin is in competition with the west, and one of those areas is biomedical. The Sputnik vaccin was infact one of the first to be released

The video @BladeRunner_ posted is scare-tactic 101.

"Go get the vaccine or we'll ram it into you"
but that's like playing 4D chess.
It wouldn't be entirely out of character for an authoritarian dictator, but it would be for Putin

Please tell me you weren't posting this seriously?

All this is a simple Google search away, lads.
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but that's like playing 4D chess.
It wouldn't be entirely out of character for an authoritarian dictator, but it would be for Putin
he doesn't have to do 4D chess on his own people m8. 😅 he can do what he likes. Putin ís authoritarian, and he ís a dictator.

These type of 3e party propaganda or even loaded satirical video's are on Russia's national television and in their algorithm streams 24-7. Trust me I know, I've been visititing there for 6 years straight now. Like I said, This is a guy who doesn't hesitate to murder or poison opposition. What makes you think he'll back down from manipulating/ propagandizing to his own people to get them vaxxed?

The worst and most disgusting part of it is. Its working, even on people who KNOW they’re being manipulated. My wife's grandmother is one of them. She basically got so tired of the constant push that she was like fine, I’ll take the shot, if everything around me sais I should it must be ok. And she was as anti-Putin as they come.

A week later she had to be buried.

Putin plays 4D chess with other countries, Not his own "plebs"
 
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@Gagi we're not going to agree on this. I suggest moving on.
Already did. I'm just too busy and my mind is all over the place to be able to go into long arguments, so I concur, best to move on. I'm surprised you have the time for all of this, what with your baby, your business and so on. I only work... Would love some time-management tips!
 
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Already did. I'm just too busy and my mind is all over the place to be able to go into long arguments, so I concur, best to move on. I'm surprised you have the time for all of this, what with your baby, your business and so on. I only work... Would love some time-management tips!
Depends on your job but in my case, Let your computer (and collegues) do your work for you.

One of the things I do a lot of in my office is complex BIM/form/pattern scripting that take ages to draw manually. Once i've set up the script I can just press "play" and the computer will be busy with that for an hour, giving me time to relax or do other things.

same goes for batch rendering which is what i'm currently doing, Every couple of minutes or so i just have to tweak a few things and press the play button.

you'll notice a lot of absence when its around 19:00 over here. Thats when the real work (kids/own business) starts for me.
 
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Depends on your job but in my case, Let your computer (and collegues) do your work for you.

One of the things I do a lot of in my office is complex BIM/form/pattern scripting that take ages to draw manually. Once i've set up the script I can just press "play" and the computer will be busy with that for an hour, giving me time to relax or do other things.

same goes for batch rendering which is what i'm currently doing, Every couple of minutes or so i just have to tweak a few things and press the play button.

you'll notice a lot of absence when its around 19:00 over here. Thats when the real work (kids/own business) starts for me.
Ha yeah, I don't need time management tips then. I need a new profession! :D
 
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he doesn't have to do 4D chess on his own people m8. 😅 he can do what he likes. Putin ís authoritarian, and he ís a dictator.

These type of 3e party propaganda or even loaded satirical video's are on Russia's national television and in their algorithm streams 24-7. Trust me I know, I've been visititing there for 6 years straight now. Like I said, This is a guy who doesn't hesitate to murder or poison opposition. What makes you think he'll back down from manipulating/ propagandizing to his own people to get them vaxxed?

The worst and most disgusting part of it is. Its working, even on people who KNOW they’re being manipulated. My wife's grandmother is one of them. She basically got so tired of the constant push that she was like fine, I’ll take the shot, if everything around me sais I should it must be ok. And she was as anti-Putin as they come.

A week later she had to be buried.

Putin plays 4D chess with other countries, Not his own "plebs"
Conspiracy theory, got it

(If this is true, then it shows that we all need to get the hell out of social media and stop watching TV)
 
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Conspiracy theory, got it
😅 yes dude... Vladimir Putin using the state and other means for pro russian (or in this case pro russian vaccin) propaganda/media on his own demos is "just a conspiracy theory" no truth to be found there whatsoever 👍

there's a very good reason why say: the dems, but not just them, have Russia as the no1 to go scapegoat to turn to whenever they're in hot water. Its because a lot of things said about Russia and its government are in fact true.
If this is true, then it shows that we all need to get the hell out of social media and stop watching TV)

On that much we agree in part, the only problem then becomes. by what other means can we keep an eye out on the world around us? are we going to just trust one media outlet (say a newspaper) to tell us what is and isn't true?
 
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Had a busy day yesterday, let's see...

What the truckers are doing is peacefully stand against a government that wants to strip them of their human and charter rights and basically wants a mandate to rape them and their families, plenty of vaccinated truckers and sympathizers at the protest. This isn't about vaccination rate, its a human rights/government fiat issue.
You don't get to define what 'rape' is. 'Rape' is not open to interpretation.
the residents are protesting against annoying honks.

which at the very least, the truckers are willing to negotiate on since their beef is with trudeau and his elk, not them. sorry, no, I don’t see how you can in anyway think the latter is somehow more of a “freedom” cause. and yes, the honks are annoying, they're meant to be. Or to quote one from of my favorite lolcows:

“The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable. Activists take that discomfort w/ the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes. Popular support often starts small & grows. To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable... that’s the point.” No pillaging, looting, arson whatever has been conducted on the side of the truckers.
I mean, I agree with that quote. A protest is supposed to be uncomfortable and inspire social action. but..
The only actually violence act so far has been entirely one sided, namely one antifa child molestor who decided to ram his car in a pro trucker stand “because the truckers are duh evul nazi’s" hospitalizing 4 and has been consequently arrested and locked up thank god.
Except that's flat-out not true. The only people detained before yesterday were two indigenous counter-protesters (link) in Winnipeg. They were drunk and blocking traffic, but they were not charged criminally. That's far cry from what you claim about an "antifa child molester ramming his car" hospitalizing the truckers.
At the core is peacefully protesting at the governments doorstep, where they can’t ignore you anymore, which is what they have been doing for the past couple of years. Plee’s and dialogue have remained unanswered by a priminister who sees them as “deplorables”.

- This is why the truckers have not on mass been arrested,
Legally, the police can't do much to the truckers because the truckers aren't violating any explicit laws. If the truckers were indigenous, you can bet that the police would make something up and begin mass arrests.
- This is why they shuffle snow in residential areas so Amulances and emergency services can pass,
I don't know about that. Maybe they are, who knows.

- This is why they’ve been cooking free Pizza’s and other foods for the homeless and/or any other Ottowa resident.
Flat-out not true. The truckers have been harassing employees of soup kitchens. Official statement from Shepherds of Good Hope, Ottawa-based social services organization:
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You're the first person that claims the truckers are being helpful and providing food to local Ottawans.
- This is why they don't fight the police but instead exchange hugs.
I guess?
- this is why after dialogue with the counterprotests (a dialogue?..imagen that) the truckers have largely pulled out of residential areas or at least stopped honking in the late hours there.
This is true, at least based on a statement by the mayor. That's from before Valentine's Day - not sure how things are right now.
- This is why Ottowa’s own tow truck companies, the residents if you will, are refusing to tow the trucks despite government screetching, who now have to resort to buying their own, except no-one will sell. :ROFLMAO:
Those tow truck companies have contracts with the government, which by the way should be rescinded as they are not doing their job.
The tow truck operators either agree with the freedom convoy, or are fearful that their employees would be in danger. link:
According to local media reports, even though some tow truck companies have the tools and machinery necessary to remove a large semi, few are willing to take the job. Some tow operators seem to be sympathetic to the trucker movement, while others simply don’t want to risk getting injured if protesters attempt to stop them from towing rigs away.

To put it simply, if tow truck companies are too scared to send their employees in and tow away the freedom convoy trucks, the freedom convoy protest is not that peaceful.


- This is why the chief of police recently resigned because he cannot in good conscious “ just follow orders” anymore by stealing sorry, "confiscating" firewood and gasoline so the truckers may freeze to death in their verhicles.
Yeah, that's a disaster. He did not do his job, realized he fucked up. Someone who can do the job needs to step in.
They’re actually peacefully protesting , and Trudeau can’t stand it, because it makes him look like a cowardly awfull dictator, which he is at this point in time.
Dude, if Trudeau were a dictator he would let people tear gas the freedom convoy truckers.

again, I find it weird to see you on the side with the cosmopolitans/politicians/establishment in this scenario.. It could be our respective internet sources, who knows.
Yes. Again, this is the first time I've seen so many claims in support of the truckers, and my first time reading about the "child molester who rammed his car into the protest." Official sources from Ottawan residents and media don't indicate anything like that.
Plus, there already has been a large convoy to my knowledge passing through America but seeing as the epicenter is in Canada that’s where the support is flowing. Plenty of American towns have been passed along the way. Where were all the slashed tires and shot truckers exactly?
Three have been planned, but they haven't happened yet. That's news to me. I had heard of people planning them, but I wasn't sure if they already happened or were still in planning phase.
And finally...what exactly makes you think your average American trucker won’t carry? Last I checked (but I could be wrong) a truck of that size, which is a defacto home for these people, is also private property. They’re not parking/honking on your driveway, they’re parking in public streets.
Yup, I would expect them to carry
 
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Had a busy day yesterday, let's see...
oh same here np, Id rather you take your time with your replies, one of the things I like about the discussions here is that they're not a twitter spat.

You don't get to define what 'rape' is. 'Rape' is not open to interpretation.
Don't be naive..Rape as a term is redefined all the time, the last one in your country was in 2012,
so yes, ' Rape' as a concept is most definitely open to interpretation and not set in stone.
I mean, I agree with that quote. A protest is supposed to be uncomfortable and inspire social action. but..
but?

Except that's flat-out not true. The only people detained before yesterday were two indigenous counter-protesters (link) in Winnipeg. They were drunk and blocking traffic, but they were not charged criminally. That's far cry from what you claim about an "antifa child molester ramming his car" hospitalizing the truckers.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-police-hit-and-run-david-zegarac-1.6341667

David Alexander Zegarac is part of Manitoba’s Antifa Punk scene, The man’s the frontman and vocalist of o.a. Brat Attack, who has multible allegations running against him of sexual misconduct, including a 13 year old girl.

Legally, the police can't do much to the truckers because the truckers aren't violating any explicit laws. If the truckers were indigenous, you can bet that the police would make something up and begin mass arrests.
Bit of a weird statement as there’s indigenous truckers in the freedom convoy. So I don’t know what you’re trying to get at with that? Trudeau as a prime minister was a hell of a lot more soft and open to dialogue in the 2020 railway blockades in Canada by indigenous protestors,

and if they haven’t violated or broken any laws, wouldn’t that lend credence to the idea that this is, infact, a peaceful protest. Instead of an “insurrection” ? and that Justin now having to granthimself emergency powers to actually force an end to what is painfull legal nuiscance, is a rather dictatorial move?

I don't know about that. Maybe they are, who knows.
One thing i've been doing to see whats actually doing on in these protest without media colouring (from both sides of the isle) is to just have the daily livestreams on while i'm working. Ottowa and Convoy alike. unfiltered, unacted, direct footage, by average Joe's. I'm not going to post the full livestreams here but there's plenty of clips to be found.



Flat-out not true. You're the first person that claims the truckers are being helpful and providing food to local Ottawans.
flat out not true eh?


see: ^above.

you guessed correct, there's footage of it all over the net you can easily find.
This is true, at least based on a statement by the mayor. That's from before Valentine's Day - not sure how things are right now.
Same.. They're holding up their end of the bargain. Again, their beef is not with residents, Their beef is with politicians wanting to strip them of their charter rights/freedoms. Which includes the freedom to chose not to get jabbed.

Those tow truck companies have contracts with the government, which by the way should be rescinded as they are not doing their job.
It might have something to do with the fact that, for some honest people who aren’t moral cowards” just following orders or contracts” in the sight of what is (or was) breaking up a legal and peaceful protest isn't a good enough reason.
The tow truck operators either agree with the freedom convoy, or are fearful that their employees would be in danger. link:
To put it simply, if tow truck companies are too scared to send their employees in and tow away the freedom convoy trucks, the freedom convoy protest is not that peaceful.
nowhere in that article can I find anything about employees being threatened by truckers. Up until this morning, there has been one incident of the police lying to Ottawa Metro Towing in order to get them to remove vehicles from protest, hence them getting backlash which has since been resolved amicably by both parties.
Yeah, that's a disaster. He did not do his job, realized he fucked up. Someone who can do the job needs to step in.
you want people legally and peacefully protesting to freeze to death… my.. you're very pro police crackdown all of a sudden :unsure:

Dude, if Trudeau were a dictator he would let people tear gas the freedom convoy truckers.
It doesn’t have to go that far chat that immediately, he knows the world is watching.

Before he was bound to respect the rights of his citizens, now he can. he recently invoked the “emergency act” (1e in canada’s history) to forcibly remove law abiding and peaceful protestors who, because of the nature of the protest. He couldn’t forcibly remove by conventional means.


Yes. Again, this is the first time I've seen so many claims in support of the truckers, and my first time reading about the "child molester who rammed his car into the protest." Official sources from Ottawan residents and media don't indicate anything like that.
Well I think in this longwinded post i've backed up my claims sufficiently including the childmolestor who rammed his car into the protest, See links above. And it doesn't at all surprise me that "official" sources and MSN don't or very scarsely report on that or other matter mentioned.

Which is precisely why i've been following the livestreams. as its very difficult to colour them to any prefered narrative. And which is why I think having these discussions, like the one's we're having now is important. you're not going to get the truth from the BBC or FOX anymore these days.
 
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God the way you two 'dissect' each and every line from one another is just insufferable lol. Can you not make arguments without the cherry picking? I am interested in your opinions on this but it's truly a mess. That's why I had to duck out of our woke convo because the ability to argue holistically or grounded within a central point is sorely missing. It's such a horrible way to debate haha. He said, she said, thats wrong, this wrong....

Curveball @jetflag - I might be in full agreement with you on this one... well from what I could make out from a while back in some of your earlier posts ha.
 
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God the way you two 'dissect' each and every line from one another is just insufferable lol. Can you not make arguments without the cherry picking? I am interested in your opinions on this but it's truly a mess. That's why I had to duck out of our woke convo because the ability to argue holistically or grounded within a central point is sorely missing. It's such a horrible way to debate haha. He said, she said, thats wrong, this wrong....
Actually, I disagree with you. This 'arguing' that you find insufferable is important to understand the other point of view and, in a way, become smarter. You realize the weaknesses in your own viewpoints and figure out the merits of opposing viewpoints.
 
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