Covid and vaccines and whatnot

Jetflag

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Because gender, sex, and race are immutable traits. Getting vaccinated or remaining unvaccinated is a choice.
wrong, gender is a mental (social) construct and therefor can be chosen.

also: just found this out. anti discrimination laws against vaccination status have already been passed in Montana and Tennesee and are well underway in 20 other states, so so much for hiding behind that i suppose.
 
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wrong, gender is a mental (social) construct and therefor can be chosen.

also: just found this out. anti discrimination laws against vaccination status have already been passed in Montana and Tennesee and are well underway in 20 other states, so so much for hiding behind that i suppose.
Gender can't be chosen.

Vaccination status can be state-protected, but it's not federally protected.
 

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Gender can't be chosen.
Sex can't be chosen, Gender can. (at least according to the intersectional part of the "philosophy" that eventually had said law passed)

Vaccination status can be state-protected, but it's not federally protected.
Federal protections are in this context, as we've seen with roe v wade, mostly useless/irrelevant since status based on a healthcare procedure (in this case), is not (consitutionally) a federal responsibility. State protection is what matters. This is also why your battle for abortion rights needs to be fought there, and not washington.
 
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I like where this threads gone. Deffo more fun than vaccines @Katadunkass 😂.

My trans step daughter let me know once. ( im pretty sure this is what she said) Gender is not chosen, its what you identify as. Sex is what genitalia you have. She has male genitalia but identifies as female. I wont go into the ins and outs but it’s certainly interesting how so many teen agers seem to be in a similar position. A sensitive subject which i feel its rise has a lot more reasons and areas to look into than just gender identity issues as a focus / cause or perhaps depending on your view, a symptom.
 
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I just love how jetflag and I are like:



meanwhile @Bobby Summa is just chillin' and being wholesome lol

Its like a combination of me n my mate playing IK+ in the 90s on an Atari ST and later when the blokes trousers fall down, dreams I had at that time! 😂. Oh those teenage days were fun! I used to either write music on that computer or go crazy with IK ( International karate + ) & Double Dragon!

Fun fact of the day:
If you completed double dragon and wrote a certain name on the score list at the end, a loud fart sound emitted from the speakers. I wander who the hell Neil Harding was. Presumably the game makers really didn’t like him! 😂. There ya go… wont find facts like that on wikipedia….trust your uncle Bobby! I have Much more fascinating facts than wikipedia in my portfolio! 🙃

Ok. I’ve gone to bury myself in my music studio … the world is now once again, safe 🤔

Bobby has left the building…

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Looks like I will need to reiterate and simplify here for the short memories. @Hot Tuna and @dmgtz96 you both towed the same line we heard since 2020... 'vaccines pose no risk whatsoever and to believe otherwise is a baseless conspiracy'. I am showing without question thats not true and you are misguided there.

From Pfizers and Moderns OWN DATA:

"Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated"

1 in 800 risk. That is a shockingly high number. Pfizer and Moderna are telling this to you. Of course Pfizer had previously tried to stop the release of this clinical trial data for 75 years, until the supreme court recently over turned that. Makes a lot of sense why they wanted to hide it now doesn't it? Tell me seriously that you think 1 in 800 seems like a reasonable number to you. Decency to admit you were both wrong?
 
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Jetflag

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Tell me seriously that you think 1 in 800 seems like a reasonable number to you.
On the front of it being a shite vaccin and/or the immoral factor of forcing it on people we wholeheartilly agree. But i'm going to play devils advocate here again:

Do I think 1 is 800 risk is a reasonable number?

Depends. From a utilitarian viewpoint would at the very least rest on
1: the combined risk-factors of hospitalization/long v short term effects v death rate of COVID, without any form of vaccination in the populus, which also has a trickle down effect given the scope and load on healthcare systems.
2: the type of serious adverse events of special interrest. (what are we talking about specifically in contrast to 1)

From a deontological perspective however its definitly not. COVID was a force majeur, (you can't ethically blame a virus or put in on trial) whereas the vaccin was a deliberatly developed product made by a company (adopting responsibility for that) which you can blame for its failures.
 

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2: the type of serious adverse events of special interrest. (what are we talking about specifically in contrast to 1)

I had the same question. Maybe serious adverse event covers the bad reactions people had with vaccines i.e fevers, weakness, feeling very ill etc...

I looked it up and it appears like it doesn't include that. It's death, being made disabled, requiring emergency room hospitalization or a surgical intervention. Would love someone else to confirm that i'm getting that right. If that's the case then 1 in 800 is indeed disgraceful, all things considered.
 

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I had the same question. Maybe serious adverse event covers the bad reactions people had with vaccines i.e fevers, weakness, feeling very ill etc...

I looked it up and it appears like it doesn't include that. It's death, being made disabled, requiring emergency room hospitalization or a surgical intervention. Would love someone else to confirm that i'm getting that right. If that's the case then 1 in 800 is indeed disgraceful, all things considered.
Sometimes i wonder if my post covid fatigue or iron deficiency is vaccine based and not long covid
 
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Jetflag

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Sometimes i wonder if my post covid fatigue or iron deficiency is vaccine based and not long covid
I’m not sure if fatigue /iron deficiency are related symptoms to mRNA or Vector shots, could be, dunno.

my grandmother in law is suffering from a similar symptom regarding iron deficient blood. The standard dietary supplements are making her nauseous so we now have her on this which seems to do the trick although it is rather expensive.



maybe something worth looking into.
 
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