Covid and vaccines and whatnot

[Jetflag]

Because, surprise surprise, there is no longer any demand and it is not financially viable. No conspiracy here.

Except If that where the (sole) case , you'd think Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson et all would pull all their vaccin's from the market aswell no?

Johnson et Johnson not too long ago even switched from a Conditional to a Standard marketing autorisation in the EU..

If the market were that saturated and demand so low, then that wouldn't make much sense wouldn't it? Or have JJ leapfrogged VectorVaccin tech to such a degree that they left AstraZeneca firmly in the dust within the span of a year?

 

[Contraband]

New paper on Covid vacinations published in the journal Vaccine. Massive study of 99 million people looking at adverse effects. Completely off the chart for a number of conditions. So much for vaccines being unquestionably, unequivocally safe I guess. Tragic reading.

 

[Perpetuous dreamer]

New York Times finally realizing that COVID’s origin is from the Wuhan lab.

From right-wing conspiracy to left-wing mainstream truth.

What say the self proclaimed ‘critical thinkers’ of society, like our @Hot Tuna here, now? Where did the unwavering conviction of these positions come from, considering, as the article puts it, “the hypothesis that C19 came from an animal at the Market is not supported by strong evidence”?

How did they get it so wrong? I hate the term but brainwashing is the only process that’s absolute enough to explain what happened here, where the very idea of something - in this case a lab origin - is turned into unthinkable hearsay. Even internalized openness is quashed, to the outcome of large sections of society being so complete in their belief system that they are actually willing to turn on those who consider opposing, but objectively rational, alternatives. They simply could not be wrong. Insane considering the context, but this is how mass censorship emerges in society.

Opinion | Why the Pandemic Probably Started in a Lab, in 5 Key Points

The world must not continue to bear the intolerable risks of research with the potential to cause pandemics.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Jetflag]

New York Times finally realizing that COVID’s origin is from the Wuhan lab.

From right-wing conspiracy to left-wing mainstream truth.

What say the self proclaimed ‘critical thinkers’ of society, like our @Hot Tuna here, now? Where did the unwavering conviction of these positions come from, considering, as the article puts it, “the hypothesis that C19 came from an animal at the Market is not supported by strong evidence”?

How did they get it so wrong? I hate the term but brainwashing is the only process that’s absolute enough to explain what happened here, where the very idea of something - in this case a lab origin - is turned into unthinkable hearsay. Even internalized openness is quashed, to the outcome of large sections of society being so complete in their belief system that they are actually willing to turn on those who consider opposing, but objectively rational, alternatives. They simply could not be wrong. Insane considering the context, but this is how mass censorship emerges in society.

Opinion | Why the Pandemic Probably Started in a Lab, in 5 Key Points

The world must not continue to bear the intolerable risks of research with the potential to cause pandemics.

www.nytimes.com

Yeah but

It’s actually a good thing you know!

 

[dmgtz96]

New York Times finally realizing that COVID’s origin is from the Wuhan lab.

From right-wing conspiracy to left-wing mainstream truth.

What say the self proclaimed ‘critical thinkers’ of society, like our @Hot Tuna here, now? Where did the unwavering conviction of these positions come from, considering, as the article puts it, “the hypothesis that C19 came from an animal at the Market is not supported by strong evidence”?

How did they get it so wrong? I hate the term but brainwashing is the only process that’s absolute enough to explain what happened here, where the very idea of something - in this case a lab origin - is turned into unthinkable hearsay. Even internalized openness is quashed, to the outcome of large sections of society being so complete in their belief system that they are actually willing to turn on those who consider opposing, but objectively rational, alternatives. They simply could not be wrong. Insane considering the context, but this is how mass censorship emerges in society.

Opinion | Why the Pandemic Probably Started in a Lab, in 5 Key Points

The world must not continue to bear the intolerable risks of research with the potential to cause pandemics.

www.nytimes.com

It's right in the title - this is an opinion piece and does not necessarily reflect the stance of the New York Times. They *did* platform the author, since that's just good journalism. And, I would agree with her - the records of the lab should be subpoenad and investigated further.

 

[Perpetuous dreamer]

lab should be subpoenad and investigated further.

4 years too late. The answer was glaringly obvious from the beginning, but instead turned forbidden, as we watched large portions of society get brainwashed into believing that THEY were the critical thinkers here, happy to put themselves on that pedalstool and censor and demonize the rest.

 

[Jetflag]

The problem with said establishment newspapers / journos is that when they’re wrong, the revision usually ends up at the bottom of the page unwatched and no apology and/or chance of stance is issued afterwards by the author on said platform, only occasionally on say: X.

I think it would go a long way in re-establishing some degree of trust between the general public and, in this case the NYT as a platform from a legacy institute, if they or said author actually came out in an article with an honest apology.

were all human and that’s fine, but even when “m1z1nvormatI0N zpweAding yo3t00bers!!” Have the God honest decency to do that publically (mostly) in this day and age. You might, as a journalist be shooting yourself and your industry in the foot long run by not doing so.

 

[dmgtz96]

The problem with said establishment newspapers / journos is that when they’re wrong, the revision usually ends up at the bottom of the page unwatched and no apology and/or chance of stance is issued afterwards by the author on said platform, only occasionally on say: X.

I think it would go a long way in re-establishing some degree of trust between the general public and, in this case the NYT as a platform from a legacy institute, if they or said author actually came out in an article with an honest apology.

were all human and that’s fine, but even when “m1z1nvormatI0N zpweAding yo3t00bers!!” Have the God honest decency to do that publically (mostly) in this day and age. You might, as a journalist be shooting yourself and your industry in the foot long run by not doing so.

This is something I'm running into with the palestine-israel conflict. You start discussing with someone that Israel is justified in acting in self-defense, then they claim that Israel is engaging in genocide. Their source of info? Pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel publication Al Jazeera. That tells me whatever they're saying isn't even worth listening to.

 

[Progrez]

This is something I'm running into with the palestine-israel conflict. You start discussing with someone that Israel is justified in acting in self-defense, then they claim that Israel is engaging in genocide. Their source of info? Pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel publication Al Jazeera. That tells me whatever they're saying isn't even worth listening to.

Welcome back! I have gotten covid 5 times now it's so annoying.

 

[Progrez]

New paper on Covid vacinations published in the journal Vaccine. Massive study of 99 million people looking at adverse effects. Completely off the chart for a number of conditions. So much for vaccines being unquestionably, unequivocally safe I guess. Tragic reading.

I got pericarditis before covid hit. But I've had it flare up after getting the injection.

 

[Jetflag]

This is something I'm running into with the palestine-israel conflict. You start discussing with someone that Israel is justified in acting in self-defense, then they claim that Israel is engaging in genocide. Their source of info? Pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel publication Al Jazeera. That tells me whatever they're saying isn't even worth listening to.

Yeah, though i would say in that case it’s more a matter of muddy definitions and interpretation v actual facts.

One can act in self defence whilst at the same time engaging in genocidal overreach of said self defense. The two concepts are not mutually in compatible.

With the: “ this came from the wuhan lab” v “this originated in the wild wet markets” is a lot less opaque as a set of claims.

the general point you raise about proper sources is a valid one though, agreed.

good to see you back by the way

 

[dmgtz96]

Yeah, though i would say in that case it’s more a matter of muddy definitions and interpretation v actual facts.

One can act in self defence whilst at the same time engaging in genocidal overreach of said self defense. The two concepts are not mutually in compatible.

With the: “ this came from the wuhan lab” v “this originated in the wild wet markets” is a lot less opaque as a set of claims.

the general point you raise about proper sources is a valid one though, agreed.

good to see you back by the way

Thank you! And yeah, I do agree in that self-defense vs straight up genocide should be distinguished. However, I genuinely think that the world, including the ICJ/UN, are heavily anti-Israel biased, so their claims of genocide cannot be taken seriously (at least not within the full context of the war). From my POV, those are joke institutions IMO.
... anyways, that discussion is not relevant for this thread, and it would probably be best left off for a separate thread (conservative vs. liberal?) or somewhere else.

... going back to the main topic of discussion, yeah, the Wuhan lab vs wild wet markets source is basically A or B. I'm curious what the outcome of that investigation will be. I can see China more or less refusing to give up *any* information, unfortunately.

 

[Jetflag]

Thank you! And yeah, I do agree in that self-defense vs straight up genocide should be distinguished. However, I genuinely think that the world, including the ICJ/UN, are heavily anti-Israel biased, so their claims of genocide cannot be taken seriously (at least not within the full context of the war). From my POV, those are joke institutions IMO.
... anyways, that discussion is not relevant for this thread, and it would probably be best left off for a separate thread (conservative vs. liberal?) or somewhere else.

... going back to the main topic of discussion, yeah, the Wuhan lab vs wild wet markets source is basically A or B. I'm curious what the outcome of that investigation will be. I can see China more or less refusing to give up *any* information, unfortunately.

Yeah especially at this point in time with the whole brics thing, Taiwan proxy war and Ukraine.

its not been the first time they’ve been tapped on the fingers for shady “pandemic practices” by the WHO also.

And now we have Tedros playing shieldmaiden for them

 

[Archon]

U.S. Military Ran Hundreds of Anti-China Twitter Accounts Spreading Anti-Vax Propaganda: Report

The Pentagon admits to running the propaganda operation, which sowed distrust in Chinese vaccines.

gizmodo.com

 

[Jetflag]

U.S. Military Ran Hundreds of Anti-China Twitter Accounts Spreading Anti-Vax Propaganda: Report

The Pentagon admits to running the propaganda operation, which sowed distrust in Chinese vaccines.

gizmodo.com

jezus, so US big pharma is in the pentagon now aswell?

God help us all, and we can chalk one more up to the "never trust a fed" board.

"trust teh official guvermunt channels peepol! the "wappies" are spreading m1sinf0rmati0n"

 

[Archon]

jezus, so US big pharma is in the pentagon now aswell?

God help us all, and we can chalk one more up to the "never trust a fed" board.

"trust teh official guvermunt channels peepol! the "wappies" are spreading m1sinf0rmati0n"

I wasn't surprised at all. Some corporations usually do profit from whatever shit the US is doing in the world.