Mental health

[Jetflag]

Vipassana is quite an intensive thing where you have go through 10 days of meditation and nothing but feeling the pain and training your mind to let it go.

Try 5 years m8

 

[Bobby Summa]

Try 5 years m8

Wow. Have you done this kind of meditation every day for 5 years?

I was going to make a joke seeing as the concept is about feeling pain then attempting to let it go and say in response to your try 5 years, Try 47 years, (my life. ) . But its not funny. And if i even imagined it was true I deserve a special session with Sadhguru to be punished by his carefuly articulated influencing tone of BS. (as for the first time ever im pretty sure he’s a fraud)

 

[Jetflag]

Wow. Have you done this kind of meditation every day for 5 years?

I was going to make a joke seeing as the concept is about feeling pain then attempting to let it go and say in response to your try 5 years, Try 47 years, (my life. ) . But its not funny. And if i even imagined it was true I deserve a special session with Sadhguru to be punished by his carefuly articulated influencing tone of BS. (as for the first time ever im pretty sure he’s a fraud)

Vipassana is not about feeling pain and/or attempting to let it go

it’s about 1 thing and 1 thing only: observing, just observing in the here and now.

this doesn’t just include pain, but all Meriad of concious experience

 

[LostLegend]

My mood was at a bit of a low point for the first half of this year, despite a couple of high points (My first Glastonbury experience was certainly a high point) but the rest has been a bit of a downer. My creativity took a heavy hit as well, didn't get a whole lot done musically in the first half of this year, and what I did do took forever to finish.

So I've once again started to seriously cut down my social media usage for the past few months.
I would have liked to delete it all completely to be honest, but still need accounts for music promotion and the like.

I've taken to reading physical books again. I've always got a couple of audio books on the go, which is great for the work commute, when in bed and pottering around the kitchen, but I find that with idle hands (especially on my downtime in work) I end up doom scrolling at the same time.
So with reading a physical book, it's a more active experience than an audio book (which can be played in the background) meaning it requires your complete attention.

It's worked a treat actually, I've limited my social media usage to mostly music/promotional stuff for the most part and am tearing through my rather backed up reading list!

Definitely felt an improvement in my mood and creativity seems to be slowly returning with a load of new projects in the works!

 

[Bobby Summa]

My mood was at a bit of a low point for the first half of this year, despite a couple of high points (My first Glastonbury experience was certainly a high point) but the rest has been a bit of a downer. My creativity took a heavy hit as well, didn't get a whole lot done musically in the first half of this year, and what I did do took forever to finish.

So I've once again started to seriously cut down my social media usage for the past few months.
I would have liked to delete it all completely to be honest, but still need accounts for music promotion and the like.

I've taken to reading physical books again. I've always got a couple of audio books on the go, which is great for the work commute, when in bed and pottering around the kitchen, but I find that with idle hands (especially on my downtime in work) I end up doom scrolling at the same time.
So with reading a physical book, it's a more active experience than an audio book (which can be played in the background) meaning it requires your complete attention.

It's worked a treat actually, I've limited my social media usage to mostly music/promotional stuff for the most part and am tearing through my rather backed up reading list!

Definitely felt an improvement in my mood and creativity seems to be slowly returning with a load of new projects in the works!

Im glad things are getting more positive again man. You’ve talked about some really useful and interesting things there.

 

[Bobby Summa]

Spirituality

It means so many different things to different people. I bet a thousand descriptions exist. So what does it actually mean ‘properly’. And why is it important?
And why have I made this post on a music forum? Is spirituality not just attempting to bring yourself to the most pleasant and truly wonderful of feelings and ‘ability’ to experience life that way all the time. For me that’s basically it. It’s what I strive for anyhow. And music can really help with it.

In a study of 1500 musicians a spiritual figure here (Sadhguru) mentions 73% of the musicians were found to be mentally ill.

He talks to ‘successful’ musician H.E.R. as she wanted to know what musicians can do for their mental health.

 

[nightslapper]

About the global warming, most people are just arguing about the entire narrative, whether it's true or not, who's to blame etc. That's obviously bad and just prolongs the warming and delays the solution.

And that's entirely what the big polluters (companies and states) want. People arguing heavily and politicizing (which is always 50-50) the issue is what gives them more time to earn money. As far as I know, the industry is the biggest polluter, but they are so because there's the demand for the products that they give us.

So instead of arguing, people should just consume a bit less. Walk/ride a bike instead of a vehicle when they can, turn off all the devices when they are not using them (such as a PC/laptop), make your home one degree colder than you need (21 degrees Celsius is optimal, I think) - just save electricity and gasoline/diesel whenever you can. Nobody is forced to put expensive solar-panels on the roof or install a heat pump (which would be great though).

/end OT

@jetflag I'm curious to hear about that practice, sounds incredible. Is it better than regular meditation? Can you do it sort of on your own or?

hey man, to comfort your global warming concerns - after all we'll all be dead and the entire planet will anyways become impossible to live on and ever will burn out when the sun will shed its shell at the end of its lifecycle and all of this including +/- 1 degree in your bedroom wouldn't even matter

so yeah I do have a depression with the flavor of existential crysis

 

[Archon]

hey man, to comfort your global warming concerns - after all we'll all be dead and the entire planet will anyways become impossible to live on and ever will burn out when the sun will shed its shell at the end of its lifecycle and all of this including +/- 1 degree in your bedroom wouldn't even matter

Yes, but in those billions of years until the Sun expands, a lot of people will hopefully get to live on this planet, in conditions not worse than this (and especially not contributed to by us).

 

[Jetflag]

Yes, but in those billions of years until the Sun expands, a lot of people will hopefully get to live on this planet, in conditions not worse than this (and especially not caused by us).

Its not caused by us, we contribute to it.

Earth has undergone multible huge climate and athmospheric shifts in the past, brought on by far more impactful events such as milacovic cycles, solar activity, black-swan meteor impacts, secondairy events such as natural methane release etc. etc. Humans and their anthropogenic co2 contribution is a factor yes. But its a fallacy to assume we caused it and are now solely responsible for (probably) entering the ice-age termination event.

Earth is a closed system by virtue of atributes (gravity well, moon, magnetopshere etc.) this creates (in terms of life and the continuation of it) a defacto self-regulatory biosphere that will, with ups and downs, continue to create favorable conditions for life.

The "the earth is going to boil" doom-porn you see climate activists churn out is scientifically pretty much bollocks. Yes, the earth will most likely undergo changes, dramatic one's even, but an uninhabitable Venus? (or hell-frozen-over-Pluto, which was predicted in the 1970's?) No.

Its part of why I prioritize becoming a (local) multi-planet species over curtailing anthropogenic exhaust and/or Co2 scrubbing. The minute you get an external (so not internal) termination event like say: massive cosmic gamma burst, or an aforementioned asteroid impact < dino killer, you at the very least have you all your eggs spread over different baskets.

 

[Archon]

Its not caused by us, we contribute to it.

Poor wording on my side.

 

[nightslapper]

Yes, but in those billions of years until the Sun expands, a lot of people will hopefully get to live on this planet, in conditions not worse than this (and especially not contributed to by us).

I would say not 'a lot' but rather privileged guys like Musk, Besos (of these future times) and those who will end up on their guestlists, or maybe not even that if we'll eventually nuke each others

 

[Jetflag]

I would say not 'a lot' but rather privileged guys like Musk, Besos (of these future times) and those who will end up on their guestlists, or maybe not even that if we'll eventually nuke each others

to be fair to humanity, we (seem to be) getting less and less killey with nukes and focus more and more on precision strikes.

but fair point non the less.

 

[Progrez]

Its not caused by us, we contribute to it.

Earth has undergone multiple huge climate and athmospheric shifts in the past, brought on by far more impactful events such as Milankovitch cycles solar activity, black-swan meteor impacts, secondary events such as natural methane release etc. etc. Humans and their anthropogenic co2 contribution is a factor yes. But its a fallacy to assume we caused it and are now solely responsible for (probably) entering the ice-age termination event.

Earth is a closed system by virtue of atributes (gravity well, moon, magnetopshere etc.) this creates (in terms of life and the continuation of it) a defacto self-regulatory biosphere that will, with ups and downs, continue to create favorable conditions for life.

The "the earth is going to boil" doom-porn you see climate activists churn out is scientifically pretty much bollocks. Yes, the earth will most likely undergo changes, dramatic one's even, but an uninhabitable Venus? (or hell-frozen-over-Pluto, which was predicted in the 1970's?) No.

Its part of why I prioritize becoming a (local) multi-planet species over curtailing anthropogenic exhaust and/or Co2 scrubbing. The minute you get an external (so not internal) termination event like say: massive cosmic gamma burst, or an aforementioned asteroid impact < dino killer, you at the very least have you all your eggs spread over different baskets.

Fixed and I think people will focus on more home grown agriculture in the future. Gone will be the days where we will be heading towards the shops to get the food at your local grocery. The earth will still be here but we might not and they are doing it because at the rate CO2 and Methane rate are increasing everywhere and every year the average temperature has gone up and up. There is even a company that made milk grown in a lab using enzymes.

 

[Jetflag]

Fixed and I think people will focus on more home grown agriculture in the future. Gone will be the days where we will be heading towards the shops to get the food at your local grocery. The earth will still be here but we might not and they are doing it because at the rate CO2 and Methane rate are increasing everywhere and every year the average temperature has gone up and up. There is even a company that made milk grown in a lab using enzymes.

cheers for the spelling check.

But what makes you think humans will therefor not be around? and/or solely focus on homegrown agriculture?

Because the overall trends are actually quite in the opposite direction.

Human ingenuity now dams in complete river deltas, makes baren deserts green, stamps cities and artificial island out of the ground and does so even in the most inhospitable places on the planet. Whilst food production is becoming more and more of an intertwined global network in terms of both production and trade?

 

[miafricker]

How do you know when you are at the edge and it is time to get a professional help?
Where is that line? I was reading about different kind of meds on partner pharmacy website but all of them need doctor's prescription unfortunately. Finding a right doctor which i can talk to is another thing which i find very challenging at this point.

 

[Progrez]

cheers for the spelling check.

But what makes you think humans will therefor not be around? and/or solely focus on homegrown agriculture?

Because the overall trends are actually quite in the opposite direction.

Human ingenuity now dams in complete river deltas, makes baren deserts green, stamps cities and artificial island out of the ground and does so even in the most inhospitable places on the planet. Whilst food production is becoming more and more of an intertwined global network in terms of both production and trade?

Just the way that life seems to be heading. Ie more wars, less food for everyone and more people and less fertility rate and rich becoming richer. I might be totally wrong. Also, things becoming ultra super expensive and less rivers and water going around the world as well and the climate uneven and glaciers are melting as well.

How do you know when you are at the edge and it is time to get a professional help?
Where is that line?

At least in my case, when the abuse becomes physical or psychological and when you start reacting or acting in ways which you normally wouldn't

 

[Jetflag]

How do you know when you are at the edge and it is time to get a professional help?
Where is that line?

If the though of seeking proffesional help crosses your mind because feel you're in a dark place or heading there.

Then thats a good time to seek proffesional help.

Depression/burnout/trauma etc. is a bit like CPR. Usually the sooner, the better.

 

[Bobby Summa]

How do you know when you are at the edge and it is time to get a professional help?
Where is that line?

Hi @miafricker. I agree with @jetflag.

Just incase you are asking because you yourself are thinking this regarding yourself, I’d like to offer advice. But it’s advice for anyone.

Remember. Getting professional help is never something to be ashamed about. Nothing that goes on with our mind ‘needs’ to make us feel shame, but it’s natural if we do. Us humans often struggle at times, sometimes for a long time, sometimes a shorter time.

I have been through considerable struggles with mental health between 1997 - 2017 but am completely free of it today.

Even the most challenging of minds can find peace. Hope can be a superpower. It worked for me. So a good motto is ‘Never give up hope’


Finding a good counsellor or psychotherapist can work wonders. If you go that route I advise seeing 3 or 4 private therapists for ten or fifteen minutes to see what they are like and see who feels right for you. You can phone them and ask if they’re happy to do that. Alternatively have a good chat over the phone or a video call to get a feel for one. Perhaps going via your Doctor/ GP is worth trying too.
If you were asking for yourself or perhaps someone you know, Good luck. Hope you or they come to a better feeling in the situation and find a little clarity.

 

[Progrez]

How do I sensitize to my old self when it come to Music? I have noticed that I don't respond to tracks which I still dislike like I used to but personally I miss that feeling. I have done a lot of yoga and meditation and even going back to the tracks but none of them have worked.

 

[Progrez]

@Jetflag I found this girls' voice to be really soothing and relaxing. Check it out.