UFOs and Aliens

Jetflag

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Well, is this really an acceptable answer? If I am understanding you correctly, you do not personally believe in what they say, therefore you do not trust them. This seems flawed. If these men are not telling the truth we still expect critical thinking to offer the explanation as to why. This hearing and what was said is not exactly a regular event. Did you ever think that UFOs and aliens would be discussed in congress and by people from Nasa and the Navy, who we typically trust with important things? I’ll tell you it was not on my bingo card for 2024. I am new to all this and don’t know much, so I may be missing some important context?

The important context I think you're missing or excluding is the mundane-factor of the claim.

So for instance:

When its October where I live, and the weather man predicts its probably going to rain tomorrow on the radio, I acknowledge his claim on the face of it. Because its a mundane one congruent with reality, and hence I don't ask for, or check the satellite imagery every hour to confirm he's right, and simply put a jacket with a hoodie on.


When a military expert or political pundit claims that aliens are visiting us in spacecraft that completely break known-physics and that he really really really believes "he saw that/something" I dismiss his claim on the face of it, because its an extraordinary one not congruent with reality, and hence I ask for, or check the relevant evidence provided, which so far has been severely lacking, and/or is either to be explained away by other factors or vague enough to simply be labeled "unknown"
 
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Did you ever think that UFOs and aliens would be discussed in congress and by people from Nasa and the Navy, who we typically trust with important things?
I think there's a risk of potential bias here, as they all require funding, and in fact like it very much. So I would expect a lot of open-ended non-answers (which is naturally expected because of the topic and the claims). The real answers would be locked behind a huge paywall.

And don't get me wrong, that's a decent generator for the economy (based on the salaries and employment alone), but I wonder how a voting taxpayer can justify prioritizing that over any other NASA project...let alone everyday issues like healthcare etc.
 
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NJ resident here. It's true what's being reported, there are drones all over the state and now in New York and DC too. I've seen them, so have many of others I know. They don't all look the same. At first I thought it was Russian or Chinese, but there are many mixed messages that contradict this. The Governor and also the Whitehouse national security spokesmon have both said there is no evidence its foreign. How would they do this anyway? So it must be US operated drones, but I cant explain why the Government would be flying hundreds of them over the states for 4 weeks now. I grew up during 9/11, so none of us are particularly happy or at ease with whats going on. All this money we spend on defense, but everyone is scrambling for answers.
 

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None of you UFO bros getting hyped about the New Jersey drones then?
Sort of , from what I’ve seen non of them seem to break the laws of physics in any way and operate within what is currently technologically doable with drones. So in that sense they're not that interresting.

it does remain a mystery as to what and why they're doing there. My guess currently is the US intelligence agencies conducting tests on a gen2 series of drone/drone swarms for future militairy use.
 

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I've not heard anyone claim they are breaking laws of physics, only that they are abnormal in many other ways. Very large and can fly extended distances and times well beyond the pinnacle of drone technology. Our Governor said 50 of them appeared beyond the horizon flying over the ocean. The range is incredible. Reporting now states altitudes well beyond 20,000ft, and at times 50,000ft. All this means they are extremely advanced, well beyond what the most advanced drones shared publicly by the military. I am stumped as to why they would fly something this advanced over civilian areas across the country for four weeks, where risk of foreign observation, capture, civilian crashes and general panic can commence. Military testing is not a logical answer, but I have nothing else.
 
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We have them in DC right now. Arizona and California are also reporting them, but who knows if they are related. This all started in the United Kingdom anyway in November, look it up. If it is military testing its being done at a scale never seen before, not to mention how strange for them to do this. I'll keep my mind open until something or someone rational actually explains this.
 

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I've not heard anyone claim they are breaking laws of physics, only that they are abnormal in many other ways. Very large and can fly extended distances and times well beyond the pinnacle of drone technology. Our Governor said 50 of them appeared beyond the horizon flying over the ocean. The range is incredible. Reporting now states altitudes well beyond 20,000ft, and at times 50,000ft. All this means they are extremely advanced, well beyond what the most advanced drones shared publicly by the military. I am stumped as to why they would fly something this advanced over civilian areas across the country for four weeks, where risk of foreign observation, capture, civilian crashes and general panic can commence. Military testing is not a logical answer, but I have nothing else.
sure, but name me, especially with Russia and china's growing satellite constellations, one open air area that is wholly excluded from foreign observation. And if your new drone type or swarm is to be put to service over a (large) populated area for say, gathering intel or reconnaissance, it makes little sense testing it over an unpopulated Mojave or Alaskan forest. Plus, what would the alternative be? testing it over populated China/some other foreign power? that'll result in a hight risk of them getting shot/captured and harvested for tech. So you're sort of "stuck" with your own populus for said large scale testing.

The size of the drones is actually congruent with its altitude ceiling. the lighter your plane and more wingspan you have, the higher you can get basically. add to that gen3 PV tech and/or a pocket nuclear reactor and you basically have a plane/drone that can fly indefinitely at very high altitudes, (entropy/maintenance not taken into account) at the fraction of the cost of having to launch a satellite into orbit. Plus it makes them into a multi functional asset. you can land them, equip them to do something else, and send them up again.


The russio-ukraine war and syrian conflict taught the whole militairy world a couple of very valuable lessons in less then a decade.

1, you can blow up multi-million dollar pieces of equipment or a squad of professional soldiers with an guided-RPG (which is pretty much a drone) or DJI-Mavic-the-molotov-cocktail-version at a fraction of the price, at your convinience, and from a safe distance.

2, have your army play around with cellphones, constellation-internet and slightly more advanced drones then that your kids plays with in the garden...and you can see what the enemy is doing from miles away, all the time. Hell, if they're small enough you can even drive/fly them into their respective bunkers/command centres.

it makes sense that the US militairy/intellegence agencies or any from the aforementioned countries for that matter are heavily invested in this/these concepts.
 
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Julian Del Agranda

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Comon' dudes... this is a topic from 2021 and still no sign of aliens. Eventhough some of you are so very very sure there's evidence all over...

This topic is a disappointment! ;)
 
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Jetflag

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Comon' dudes... this is a topic from 2021 and still no sign of aliens. Eventhough some of you are so very very sure there's evidence all over...

This topic is a disappointment! ;)
ah ah ah!

hold your horses there.. The topic is UFO's (unidentified flying objects, which could be anything from a balloon to an x-wing) ...-> ánd aliens.

so there's two topic, who're are not mutually exclusive and which do no have to be discussed in tandem persé ;)
 
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Seems to be happening all over the country. My friend saw a cluster of them in Louisville Kentucky last night, and more videos appearing in the south and west coast too. Not making a case for it being Aliens, but its very strange indeed. The military launching hundreds of drones across the nation is a head scratcher. Not more logical that this is foreign entity showing how vulnerable US airspace really is, and the Gov is keeping this from us to avoid panic?
 

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If private corporations test launch dozens of AI-selfdriving test vehicles in us cities, then it’s not inconceivable for the us militairy or cia to do the same with its aerial (swarm) assets in test phase
 

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It looks like they are trying to cover up what's happening, whatever it is. The Whitehouse has come out and said people are mistaking planes. Fuck that. I've seen it with my own eyes, as have everyone in my city. Last time I checked passenger planes don't cluster together and circle around. It's been an entire month of this. The police, governor, mayor, coast gaurd. You name it they've seen it and reported different activity. Gaslighting of the people.
 
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Gaslighting of the people.

Looks like it is. I listened to the New Jersey Senator talk about it a few days ago. Listening to him its obviously not mistaken planes.

"this is taking me to the end of my belief that the government is really being office"
"there has been top secret briefings with congress people... there is something very secret going on...top secret"
"whatever these drones are doing, the government really doesn't want is to know... they are so fearful of what the public will do when they here whats going on"

Not common to hear such things come from an active Senator within the government.

 
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I saw a video today of one crashing through the sky in DC. So if they didn’t know what it was before, they will do now.
 

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In his interview with Ross Coulthart, Don Trump JR says there is “fairly definitive evidence” we are being visited by aliens. Another politician telling us this is almost certainly real. The number of high level officials voicing this reality grows year on year, whilst the number of officials who say this is all actually a lie and a hoax, remains at zero.

A new whistleblower from the Airforce and his testimony is to be released this weekend, via an interview with Coulthart. He claims to have worked directly in the crash recovery program and recovered craft. Apparently they will be showing a video of one of the craft recoveries.

Any skeptics should listen to what Coulthart has to say here. Trusted award winning journalist that set out to debunk UAP, now one of the biggest advocates for disclosure.

Out of this World: Breaking News Investigation on Secret Alien Aircrafts, Live with Ross Coulthart & Lue Elizondo | TRIGGERED Ep.207

 

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So why has nothing been leaked TwinSilo? Everything's always leaked to the press...

For a start, the secrets of the world are not always leaked to the press. If you leak classified datasets and imagery from the intelligence and military you face the charge of treason. At a minimum life in prison, but also possibly the death penalty. Snowden had to flee the country. Chelsea Manning is still in jail. It's unrealistic to expect these people to leak something that wouldn't be believed anyway...

Show Images and videos and it will be claimed to be AI or CGI. Present results of scientific papers and it's fraud or misinterpretation. Gather masses of pilot testimonies, its all hallucinations. Whistleblowers testify to congress, they are lying conspirators. Journalists who conclude it to be real, all simply confused. There is always an angle to cast doubt. If you don't want to believe an excuse can always be found. What evidence would you personally hope to see?

The fact is, the people who do have access to the classified data - congress and those inside the intelligence community - are convinced it's real and the number grows. The senate majority leaders even went as far as writing an amendment last year that mentions "non-human intelligence" in it 14 times. The writing is on the wall.
 
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