UFOs and Aliens

[Spacetime]

Oh boy, I would think religious people would be shocked by alien visitation, and have many inner questions to grapple with. In the US there are many many extreme religious people who believe that man is made in the image of God, that Jesus was the son of God and even that the Eden story is true. They would think aliens as demons. Who knows how these people would respond, it would be smart to try and plan for it.

Just imagine we an actually meet aliens one day and dare to ask them about a creator and they give us an answer completely different answer or reality that we have as humans. A billion people told they’ve been wrong in their belief this whole time. All the rules and sacrifices were meaningless. Jewish people could have enjoyed delicious bacon this whole time. Pandemonium if they confirm that Scientology is actually the correct one. Fuck they might even confirm God, then the billion atheists who rejected him start to panic. No doubt, Theology is at the core of the alien thought experiment.

 

[Jetflag]

Systems of belief and stories are a core tenet of the human condition, full stop.

That’s why we have religious institutions

what I find utterly bemusing is that the government/CIA pretends to somehow needing to take 7 years to take an pro-active role in this with 9 head “commission” with theologians, economists and what not.

Which is just ridiculous

mark my words. In 7 years this has either blown over or they’ll “need more time” (and funding)

 

[LostLegend]

Funny enough just listened to a presentation from Colonel Karl Nell yesterday, and he also believes there is a religious component to disclosure. He headed the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency (we'll add his name to the conspirators list).

"We want disclosure through a controlled process, we want it in a way that doesn’t cause societal collapse. Like Eric Klyne talked about in 1177 BC, the system collapse of all the ancient societies. This is the order of concern about what may be happening...We have to address the technical, religious aspects of this.”

Hard to say to what degree religion or society would actually be shaken, if at all. Probably would. Either way, the two Senate Majority Leaders who wrote the UAP Disclosure Bill obviously felt that religion potentially might be impacted enough to include what they did. Agree with TS, there is nothing to contest or get caught up on with that particular point.

Religion will bend and twist itself to fit as it always does. There are too many people making too much money from religion to let anything as simple as facts disrupt it.

Fundamentalists will still claim the world is 5 thousand years old contrary to the scientific evidence. So I doubt the existence of extraterrestrials will bother them at all, they'll either bend their existing beliefs around it or come up with something batshit to compensate.

 

[Jetflag]

Religion will bend and twist itself to fit as it always does. There are too many people making too much money from religion to let anything as simple as facts disrupt it.

Fundamentalists will still claim the world is 5 thousand years old contrary to the scientific evidence. So I doubt the existence of extraterrestrials will bother them at all, they'll either bend their existing beliefs around it or come up with something batshit to compensate.

…. And no one or more “theological individual” chosen by the CIA for their “special reveal committee” that they somehow need 7 years to assemble is going to change that state of affairs

 

[Manofearth]

European Parliamentary member pitching in on the U.S. investigation with UAP

“for me, and many others, one thing seems rational and obvious. Someone is hiding something. And it’s not those who are seeking answers.”

spoken by Mr Guerreiro, last week in parliament.

 

[Spacetime]

I came across this today. A group of scientists from different countries have come up with a model to detect Dyson Sohere, which I’m sure most here are familiar with. Out of the 5 million candidates they found 5 they commit some confidence towards as being the aforementioned. Wouldn’t that be a game changer, to know a life presence this advanced is in our same neighborhood.

Mysterious Objects in Space Could Be Giant Dyson Spheres, Scientists Say

Could it really be?

www.sciencealert.com

 

[Jetflag]

I came across this today. A group of scientists from different countries have come up with a model to detect Dyson Sohere, which I’m sure most here are familiar with. Out of the 5 million candidates they found 5 they commit some confidence towards as being the aforementioned. Wouldn’t that be a game changer, to know a life presence this advanced is in our same neighborhood.

Mysterious Objects in Space Could Be Giant Dyson Spheres, Scientists Say

Could it really be?

www.sciencealert.com

Welllll.. 🫤

“Neighbourhood”. Is stretching it.. but yes, nice.

after tabby star the whole type2 civ debate ended a bit. Good to see it’s being picked up again

 

[Hensmon]

Cool article. I've always wondered if the whole Dyson Sphere technology is a bit too much of human perspective and prediction. I feel like if a civilization can construct a structure large enough to engulf a whole sun it must have an understanding on reality and science that would open up more efficient ways to extract energy.

For example imagine the energy from a rotating planet, exploitation of gravity or tapping into the vast amounts of energy we know exists at the quantum level. I'm not sure why we have so much confidence that a Dyson Sphere is an obvious and logical output for a civilization a million years more advanced than us. Maybe a species that advance transcends the need (or desire) for material energy all together.

 

[Jetflag]

Cool article. I've always wondered if the whole Dyson Sphere technology is a bit too much of human perspective and prediction. I feel like if a civilization can construct a structure large enough to engulf a whole sun it must have an understanding on reality and science that would open up more efficient ways to extract energy.

For example imagine the energy from a rotating planet, exploitation of gravity or tapping into the vast amounts of energy we know exists at the quantum level. I'm not sure why we have so much confidence that a Dyson Sphere is an obvious and logical output for a civilization a million years more advanced than us. May a species that advance transcends the need (or desire) for material energy all together.

The reason a Dyson sphere is an attractive concept to investigate is:

1 it is actually practically possible within comfortable bounds of current day technology (basically it’s just a huge swarm of photovoltaic satellites) and physics. No valid reason to assume the laws of the universe somehow work radically differently x light years over there..

2 it, out of all possible means of investigating/ searching for extraterrestrial life by means of telescopes, is one of the most feasible (same tech we use to hunt and determine composition of exoplanets)

 

[TwinSilo]

Another new voice advocating for disclosure. Tim Gaullaudet is a former Navy Rear Admiral, as well as Commander of the Naval Meteorlogical and Oceangraphy Command at the Stennis Space center.

“I’m totally convinced that we are experiencing a Non-Human Higher Intelligence. Completely convinced. Because I know people who were in the legacy programs that oversaw both the crash retrieval and the analysis of the UAP data”

He has also stated to see footage of both UAP and USP (submerged).

Video source

 

[Jetflag]

Another new voice advocating for disclosure. Tim Gaullaudet is a former Navy Rear Admiral, as well as Commander of the Naval Meteorlogical and Oceangraphy Command at the Stennis Space center.

“I’m totally convinced that we are experiencing a Non-Human Higher Intelligence. Completely convinced. Because I know people who were in the legacy programs that oversaw both the crash retrieval and the analysis of the UAP data”

He has also stated to see footage of both UAP and USP (submerged).

Video source

Good, the sooner we have actual evidence, and all of it(!) on the table the better. Then we can draw proper conclusions. With all this government concealment to “pwotekt du pUbl1c” it will inevitably remain innuendo and wild guess work.

Out with all the documents please

 

[Hensmon]

^ Admiral Gaullaudet is another name to add to the list then. Going to raise you @TwinSilo and add four more. Big quotes from key players in the last few weeks...

Col. Karl Nell, Modernization Advisor to Vice Chief of Staff, talking at the SALT conference.
"Non-human intelligence exits, non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity, this interaction is not new and it's been ongoing. And there are elected people within government that are aware of that... There is zero doubt"

Gary Nolan, Stanford Head of Immunology (worked with military patients exposed to UAPs, worked on collected material), talking at SALT conference
[On non-human intelligence visiting earth] It hasn't just visited - It's been here a long time and it's still here. [On the probability of that belief] "A hundred percent. And that's not just my opinion"

Marco Rubio, Speaker of the House, open letter
Dozens of men and women entrusted with the defense of our country have reported encounters with UAPs over restricted U.S. military installations." "In some cases, these objects seem to be evidence of technological advancements unknown to our military"

Senator Richard Blumenthal, speaking at press conference
[Regarding UAP] "The American people should be given more information. They're ready for it, they can handle it, and they need and deserve to know it".

 

[Bobby Summa]

^ Admiral Gaullaudet is another name to add to the list then. Going to raise you @TwinSilo and add four more. Big quotes from key players in the last few weeks...

Col. Karl Nell, Modernization Advisor to Vice Chief of Staff, talking at the SALT conference.
"Non-human intelligence exits, non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity, this interaction is not new and it's been ongoing. And there are elected people within government that are aware of that... There is zero doubt"

Gary Nolan, Stanford Head of Immunology (worked with military patients exposed to UAPs, worked on collected material), talking at SALT conference
[On non-human intelligence visiting earth] It hasn't just visited - It's been here a long time and it's still here. [On the probability of that belief] "A hundred percent. And that's not just my opinion"

Marco Rubio, Speaker of the House, open letter
Dozens of men and women entrusted with the defense of our country have reported encounters with UAPs over restricted U.S. military installations." "In some cases, these objects seem to be evidence of technological advancements unknown to our military"

Senator Richard Blumenthal, speaking at press conference
[Regarding UAP] "The American people should be given more information. They're ready for it, they can handle it, and they need and deserve to know it".

Looks like its starting to get interesting now. These names seem quite crucial & credible people.

I believe in Alien lifeforms, I just hadn't expected it possible that those that are formed in the physical plane would be able to reach us. I dont know if its they were formed in this plane on a different planet or perhaps, if other dimensions exist (i very much believe they do) then perhaps it is more a Transformation to this physical plane and that they might usually reside in a different, less phyical plane which encompasses and operates at a higher or at least different frequency and can have within it a different scope and scale of vibrations or densities. ( for example…. Our plane, the physical plane is said to be very dense, hence physical, and that perceiving higher vibrations is really difficult for an individual unless they belive in such higher possibilities and attune themselves appropriately depending on their spiritual level or capabilities, …. Granted that this tips into a slightly different subject but i personally believe its all related)

i have seen NDE )Near Death Experience) videos on youtube where people are told about Aliens etc, but its hard to decipher how genuine these videos or people are. I suspect some are genuine as all one can do is read the signs of the person talking (body language, tone of voice, expression, or sometimes a hunch or intuition) and guess the likelihood of them being genuine.

End result is that with so much information appearing to come forward through many sources, that Alien existence, and similar subjects are becoming more important to more people and also becoming more interesting and plausible as a whole.

Just imagine, if alien intelligence does exist in this plane, what music could they create? (if they have a more advanced inteligence that is) Id love to hear their efforts at Trance music 🫶

 

[Jetflag]

Still waiting for credible evidence to be presented.

all I ever see is promises, testimonies and “important people who believe”

sorry, not good enough.

 

[Nerio]

Interesting scene, Joseph Newman electric motor input 17 watts output 200 watts.


I'm skeptical of Steven Greer's papers myself, but there have been enough of these inventors to be seriously suspicious.
But as it says in the document, and what I agree with, is that all these inventors want to patent it, which is not possible with such advanced technologies (if they seriously exist). If they want to get it out to the people they should open-source it and share it everywhere they can.

 

[Hensmon]

Another one for the list. This time its H.R. McMasters, a retired United States Army lieutenant general who served as the 25th United States National Security Advisor from 2017 to 2018. McMaster made Time's list of 100 most influential people in 2014. Discussing UAP on Bill Maher podcast.

"There are phenomena that have been witnessed by multiple people that are just inexplicable by the science available to us"

 

[Spacetime]

UAP topic hits mainstream? Luis Elizondo on the Daily Show last night



might this actually be for real?

 

[Hensmon]

might this actually be for real?

Ha yeahhhh dude! It's real and it's mind blowing. Writing has been on the wall for a while now, but slowly it seems the mainstream sphere is getting on board with what science/scientists has been telling us for decades: that contact should have already been made... turns out it has! Gonna be fascinating to see how to world takes on this new paradigm.

 

[Jetflag]

what science/scientists has been telling us for decades: that...

..the sobering reality is that there isn't any yet. There's no scientific evidence for aliens in the declassified UFO video's, Nor is there any such evidence in the formal academic research.

no matter how hyped this will get by the mainstream media picking this up (which it has for some time now fox news did a number of sections on it) ..No extraterrestrial life has yet been conclusively detected.