UFOs and Aliens

[Jetflag]

Strange thing for one of the most powerful law makers in US Government to be saying, isn't it?

extremely odd this close before the 2024 us elections

especially when it’s both parties doing it

 

[Hensmon]

Sorry, I don't follow what you are getting at and why it's odd/related to the election?

 

[Jetflag]

Sorry, I don't follow what you are getting at and why it's odd/related to the election?

Its not at all odd or a "strange thing" for a Senator (dem and rep alike) too, right before a major election, come out of the woodworks with easy tokenisms and platitudes like this.

"vote for my side and we'll expose the truth american people!"

Schumer and his party have been in the political driver seat for 4 years and only now, in tow with the reps i might add, on the eve of a major election decide to bring it up.

how convinient.

 

[Hensmon]

The problem with that assessment @Jetflag is that the bill is co-sponsored/written by both the Republican and Democrat Senate Majority leaders. It is a (rare) bipartisan effort, meaning that the benefit of political affiliation you suggest doesn't exist. Representative Marco Rubio (Republican) has been a big force behind this bill, even though Schumer (Democrat) has the voice in the public domain.

I'll also add that this bill was initially written and submitted late 2022, and then voted against by 3 members of the house in 2023 (rep. Mike Turner for example). They waited for the next cycle before submitting again. So clearly the election is not the motivation.

So what other explanation could you offer as to why both parties Senate Majority Leaders are activists in this topic?

 

[Jetflag]

The problem with that assessment @Jetflag is that the bill is co-sponsored/written by both the Republican and Democrat Senate Majority leaders. It is a (rare) bipartisan effort, meaning that the benefit of political affiliation you suggest doesn't exist. Representative Marco Rubio (Republican) has been a big force behind this bill, even though Schumer (Democrat) has the voice in the public domain.

I'll also add that this bill was initially written and submitted late 2022, and then voted against by 3 members of the house in 2023 (rep. Mike Turner for example). They waited for the next cycle before submitting again. So clearly the election is not the motivation.

So what other explanation could you offer as to why both parties Senate Majority Leaders are activists in this topic?

why is that a problem? what difference does it make that both parties are on board with this bill? its still, basically, an easy-win topic, that resonates with a lot of people, current company included. m8... what politician wouldn't promote " the truth" (whatever that might be < mind you, the " truth" might also very be there's actually nothing or we don't know.)what can he lose by platituding that?

You said it was "strange" that Schumer all of a sudden pitched in. What is strange about it precisely? This, right before a major election cycle, is predictable behavior. Its easy tokenism on his behalf or any other senator for that matter, which is probably why both parties are doing it. Its an quick cookie grab/jumping on the bandwagon for him that he, and his party, have nothing to lose from and only to gain from politically speaking.

What is strange and what you don't seem to ask yourself for some reason is Why didn't Schumer publically voice his support for this earlier, like in 2022 then Hens? If he is indeed such an ardent supporter of “The American public has a right to learn about Technologies of Unknown Origins, Non-Human Intelligence, and Unexplainable Phenomena"?

And why didn't he, his party having been in the political driver seat for 4 years, (help) push this bill through the Senate, especially given it has the support from both Senate Majority Leaders?

And that's not even the worst part: you don't need this bill even. Any US presidents has the ultimate authority to declassify information. Biden or Trump could have ordered the documents to be declassified and made public, without having a bill being made.

so why haven't they?

To me this only lends creedence to the idea that this whole UAP thing is nothing more then a carrot on a stick. A hyped political/media distraction for when convinient, dragged out when wanted, and put-under-the carpet when not, that is based on vague footage of what are essentially mundane phenomena with a big innuendo of "extra terrestrial". ( Though it is nice to see that the science community are digging in this deeper. Scientists are getting serious about UFOs. Here's why)

Either that or there is actual information which is so groundbreakingly dangerous/volatile (militairily or zeitgeist-shifting speaking) that not a 100 bills are going to get this out of the pentagon and the information will be destroyed long before hand.

So in either case, it is defacto wasted efford,

but hey...in the meantime politicians/senators (from both end of the isle i might add) can easily score public points with it.

 

[Hensmon]

Why didn't Schumer publically voice his support for this earlier, like in 2022 then Hens?

As mentioned above, Schumer is the Senate Leader and co-author of the UAP amendment, which they wrote in 2022. They submitted and voted on the bill in 2023. Here is a the video of Senator Schumer and Senator Rounds (Republican) talking in depth about it in 2023. So this has been an ongoing process, at a minimum of 2 years. Rubio (Republican) has technically been involved since 2020. Given all this, your explanation that this is Democrats trying to score points before an election makes little sense, demonstrated by the heavy Republican ownership and advocation, and multi-year timeframe. So what could be another possible explanation?

 

[Jetflag]

As mentioned above, Schumer is the Senate Leader and co-author of the UAP amendment, which they wrote in 2022. They submitted and voted on the bill in 2023. Here is a the video of Senator Schumer and Senator Rounds (Republican) talking in depth about it in 2023. So this has been an ongoing process, at a minimum of 2 years. Rubio (Republican) has technically been involved since 2020.

so why then did you think it strange that he recently pitched in, given all that^ Hens?

what exactly is " strange" about it?

Given all this, your explanation that this is Democrats trying to score points before an election makes little sense, demonstrated by the heavy Republican ownership and advocation, and multi-year timeframe. So what could be another possible explanation?

no its not. like i said, this is an easy "alway win" topic regardless of who owned/pitched the idea first... what does he have to lose by being vocal about this? nothing....what does he have to gain? increased popularity among swing/leaning rep voters who're passionate about this, which given the hype i would argue is quite a lot.

 

[TwinSilo]

If I understand correctly, In the mind of Jetflag, a bunch of Democrats and Republicans have joined together in 2020 so that they can write and pass a law through the senate about alien visitation, so that in four years time one of the authors, Chuck Schumer, can get public support in a Senate Majority Election that won’t take place until 2025, and that doesn’t include public input or voting.

It escapes him as to why this very logical explanation might be viewed as strange. Law makers working to pass bi-partisan bills about aliens is totally expected and normal behavior. If only we could see these obvious motivations like he could, not to mention the very, very sensical scheme behind it all.

 

[Hensmon]

Ha well yes that's one way of putting it.

Sorry @Jetflag I probably wasn't clear before, the strangeness I am suggesting is not on the timing of the announcement, but that we have two Senate Majority leaders advocating, writing laws and giving credence to the claim that we are being visited by a "non-human intelligence". This is indeed not normal, hence why I push you for a explanation on what's going on. Are they sincere in their belief? Deliberately misleading us? I know you mentioned a conspiracy in the past, about all this being a ploy for defense funding. Is that still what you think? No essay response please.

 

[Jetflag]

the strangeness I am suggesting is not on the timing of the announcement

Misread on my part then, I thought you where heh.

Are they sincere in their belief? Deliberately misleading us? I know you mentioned a conspiracy in the past, about all this being a ploy for defense funding.

I think that those, or any other political ploy/wag the dog scheme, is a hell of a lot more plausible then what @TwinSilo seems to be luring at,

namely something along the lines of Schumer seeing little green men in the pentagon one night, and then calling up Rubio like:

“m8! I'm in, let’s propose a bill to the senate to expose this! Even if it is of such a high level of secrecy that well be killed long before hand, or they’ll simply get rid of the evidence”

What does the bill propose/whats its function? It proposes the exposure of any actual available evidence. Which might very well be 0, especially given the overall scientific verdict on this.

So, regardless of what it churns out in the end...they, or any other senator who was pushing this rep or dem, can in the mean time come across a “virtuous truth exposer” for the crowd. Making this a 0 loss tool for political point scoring and/or if you want…funnelling money to the defence industry (which given the current geopolitical climate isn’t at all preposterous I might add). These types of scheme's are not unheard of in politics. hence> I think this is more likely the case here.

 

[Jetflag]

I will ad this caveat to it all.

I’m willing to concede the possibility that Schumer (and Rubio) are just being principled.

..and that both of them, regardless of their political differences and/or take on aliens believe in governments not holding any secrets as such. Plus its not at all unprecedented that rep/dem lawmakers see eye to eye on a topic.

But I doubt it.

 

[Jetflag]

Speaking of aliens by the way:

 

[TwinSilo]

The next UAP congressional hearing has been confirmed for November 13th. One Admiral already listed to testify, there will likely be others.

 

[Hensmon]

Witness list has been released for Wednesdays congressional hearing

Dr. Tim Gallaudet
Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy (RET.) Commander of the Naval Meteorlogical and Oceangraphy at the Stennis Space center.

Luis Elizondo
Former Director of Pentagons Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program

Michael Gold
Former NASA Associate Administrator of Space Policy

Michael Shellenberger
Founder of Public (Independant journalist)

@Jetflag you must know Shellenberger right? Journalist dedicated to gov transparency. Not sure if you ever read his journalism on this topic but he is convinced something real is going on, and that its likely non-human. For sure he is not part of a conspiracy here, so he has a genuine conclusion that this is where the evidence is pointing. Interesting to see what he brings to the table. Never hear of Micahel Gold before.

 

[Jetflag]

Witness list has been released for Wednesdays congressional hearing

Dr. Tim Gallaudet
Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy (RET.) Commander of the Naval Meteorlogical and Oceangraphy at the Stennis Space center.

Luis Elizondo
Former Director of Pentagons Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program

Michael Gold
Former NASA Associate Administrator of Space Policy

Michael Shellenberger
Founder of Public (Independant journalist)

@Jetflag you must know Shellenberger right? Journalist dedicated to gov transparency. Not sure if you ever read his journalism on this topic but he is convinced something real is going on, and that its likely non-human. For sure he is not part of a conspiracy here, so he has a genuine conclusion that this is where the evidence is pointing. Interesting to see what he brings to the table. Never hear of Micahel Gold before.

Neat, but It’s still just a “I think/am convinced I saw that” witness list m8.

I’m still hopefully waiting for some actual evidence to be presented.

lets wait and see what they come up with

 

[Katadunkass]

I love how 99% of this comes down to "just trust me, bro" - being "under oath" means absolutely fucking nothing, it's not like God will come down from the Heavens to smack your ass if you lie or anything like that. It's just a government version of 4chan's "Because I said so!"

 

[Spacetime]

I love how 99% of this comes down to "just trust me, bro"

An honest question - Why should we not trust them?

 

[Jetflag]

An honest question - Why should we not trust them?

Same reason you shouldn’t trust me when I tell you “gravity is just a social construct, if you identify as a bird you can fly”

lack or proper evidence

 

[Katadunkass]

An honest question - Why should we not trust them?

Jetflag pretty much responded before I could with the same answer I would have provided, lol

 

[Spacetime]

Jetflag pretty much responded before I could with the same answer I would have provided, lol

Well, is this really an acceptable answer? If I am understanding you correctly, you do not personally believe in what they say, therefore you do not trust them. This seems flawed. If these men are not telling the truth we still expect critical thinking to offer the explanation as to why. This hearing and what was said is not exactly a regular event. Did you ever think that UFOs and aliens would be discussed in congress and by people from Nasa and the Navy, who we typically trust with important things? I’ll tell you it was not on my bingo card for 2024. I am new to all this and don’t know much, so I may be missing some important context?