UFOs and Aliens
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You’re using this incorrectly. The fallacy is belief in evidence from someone who is an authority, but not in the right field of context.
For instance, believing health advice from a physicist due to their intellect and recognition in physics, ignoring that they know nothing about health. They are the wrong kind of authority.
In the discussion of UFOs, the head of intelligence would precisely be the authority suited for the topic, followed by astronauts and pilots.
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The astronauts yes are in the same agreement about UFOs and aliens. American and Russian say the same story and experiences. Only a fool would ignore their testimony so easily.
Just look, here is a Russian cosmonaut who is followed by a ufo while in space, close enough to draw a a picture.
Skip to 1m 45s in the video
Just look, here is a Russian cosmonaut who is followed by a ufo while in space, close enough to draw a a picture.
Skip to 1m 45s in the video
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The right expertise in this context is not the head of intelligence (or other management/board of director people with political and financial motivations to wag the dog and lie if they must to secure funds...) but scientists, aeronautical engineers etc. with more then just a degree in physics on the matter...
The deafening silence on the overwhelming majority of said relevant experts, should rings some bells as to why Delgado's story isn't all that likely to be aliens.
Ha yeah Tom Delonge's thoughts and claims on all this bit more whacky and out there, classic youtube rabbit hole stuff, but I guess at this stage of understanding the UAP anything is really on the table. Steve-o is a classic too lol. Not sure how Tom made it into the circle with all those politicians and military generals, but quite happy with it either way as def helped put those New York Times videos out there for the public to see.
Sorry i'm not saying and sharing Avi Leob's and Michio Kaku thoughts because I think they are proof that UAP are alien, just showing clearly that at least two brilliant physicists believe it's possible for that to be the case. They have no issue with it. So the arm-chair comments that the universe is 'too big' or physics 'too understood' is not something the experts agree with you on. They are open, and possibly in belief, that the UAPs might be alien.
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Who do you think makes up the intelligence conmunity Jetflag. It’s scientists, data analysts, engineers, aeronautics, aviators, counter intelligence operatives, and more. It’s every speciality imaginable reporting up the chain of command to the D.N.I.
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who mostly consists of bureaucrats, management, politicians and people concerned with funding and who are also the ones releasing and auditing the UAP nothing-burger reports we've been seeing so far, and coïncidently the ones we're refering to/the subject on what an ad veracundeam fallacy is or isn't
The "conclusion" of the overwhealming majority of down the lines scientists, data analysts, engineers and aviation specialist etc. so far is at worst "thats balogy" and at best " we don't know"
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Yeah I don't think micho Kaku or Avi Leob for that matter has no issue with temporal paradoxes associated with FTL m8
they're a huge problem for anyone wanting to ftl and understanding the subject matter....its like a division by 0...Again, I think you're mixing up stuff/ reading what you want to read.Avi Leob advocates that Oumuamua might be an alien probe. Not that it travelled C plus or via a wormhole and broke reality, not that it contains little green men with telescopes on it..... A probe. Which could lead us to finally discovering concrete evidence of there (having been) alien life out there, (not in there) Hence me thinking its such an interresting case.
As for Kaku, he is (besides a "by necessity" string theorist) A futurist, much like carl Sagan... so when he has an open talk on Joe Rogan having a good time and wildly speculating on the absolute fringes of the maybe possible.. He does that in that capacity, not in his quote on quote "official" function as a theoretical physicis.
he's actually been called out on this
(which I don't think is completely fair by the way, you should seperate the futurist/science communicator from the actual scientific credentials)
Michio Kaku's specific field of scientific expertise is, like said, String or M theory.. things like "relativistic strings, loops and pomerons" This is a field of science consisting mostly of abstract mathematics. Real world application or even things like testability/verifiablity or possibility itself isn't even been taking into account in that subset.
and look, to extend a bit of an olive branch to you and @Manofearth from the neh saying camp that i'm on concerning aliens visiting us in physics breaking objects... I'll go as far saying that is not impossible in the absolute sense of the word, But to quote from the article above.
"When tricky, biased observations are put up agains the laws of physics, I will bet on the laws of physics every single time."
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You guys see the latest updated from NASA and their role now in the UAP topic? Panel of 16 scientists, ranging from astronauts, astro-physicists, computer scientists, biologists, aviation experts, data analysts, engineers etc taking on study to understand what UAP are.
“NASA has brought together some of the world's leading scientists, data and artificial intelligence practitioners, aerospace safety experts, all with a specific charge, which is to tell us how to apply the full focus of science and data to UAP,” said Evans. “The findings will be released to the public in conjunction with NASA’s principles of transparency, openness, and scientific integrity.”
Like Congress, the Pentagon and Navy, NASA believe this to be a serious topic worthy of investigation. Are we dealing with another inept institution, fooled by mundane objects in the sky? Or maybe they are also part of the suggested conspiracy to convince the world of aliens to get more funding? Or are the multiple claims of something otherworldly possibly true? I think in a few years the latter will be confirmed.
www.nasa.gov
“NASA has brought together some of the world's leading scientists, data and artificial intelligence practitioners, aerospace safety experts, all with a specific charge, which is to tell us how to apply the full focus of science and data to UAP,” said Evans. “The findings will be released to the public in conjunction with NASA’s principles of transparency, openness, and scientific integrity.”
Like Congress, the Pentagon and Navy, NASA believe this to be a serious topic worthy of investigation. Are we dealing with another inept institution, fooled by mundane objects in the sky? Or maybe they are also part of the suggested conspiracy to convince the world of aliens to get more funding? Or are the multiple claims of something otherworldly possibly true? I think in a few years the latter will be confirmed.
NASA Announces Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Study Team Members
NASA Announces Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Study Team Members