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I listened to some interview snippets with Tom from Blink 182 (with Steve-o haha) the other day briefly and he claims he "knows" all about "Aliens" and "ufo's". Something for you @Hensmon ;) starts at like 17 min.

 
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An ad veracundeam fallacy

You’re using this incorrectly. The fallacy is belief in evidence from someone who is an authority, but not in the right field of context.

For instance, believing health advice from a physicist due to their intellect and recognition in physics, ignoring that they know nothing about health. They are the wrong kind of authority.

In the discussion of UFOs, the head of intelligence would precisely be the authority suited for the topic, followed by astronauts and pilots.
 
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The astronauts yes are in the same agreement about UFOs and aliens. American and Russian say the same story and experiences. Only a fool would ignore their testimony so easily.

Just look, here is a Russian cosmonaut who is followed by a ufo while in space, close enough to draw a a picture.

Skip to 1m 45s in the video


 

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The fallacy is belief in evidence from someone who is an authority, but not in the right field of context.
correct...
In the discussion of UFOs, the head of intelligence would precisely be the authority suited for the topic, followed by astronauts and pilots.
wrong..

The right expertise in this context is not the head of intelligence (or other management/board of director people with political and financial motivations to wag the dog and lie if they must to secure funds...) but scientists, aeronautical engineers etc. with more then just a degree in physics on the matter...

The deafening silence on the overwhelming majority of said relevant experts, should rings some bells as to why Delgado's story isn't all that likely to be aliens.
 

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Something for you @Hensmon

Ha yeah Tom Delonge's thoughts and claims on all this bit more whacky and out there, classic youtube rabbit hole stuff, but I guess at this stage of understanding the UAP anything is really on the table. Steve-o is a classic too lol. Not sure how Tom made it into the circle with all those politicians and military generals, but quite happy with it either way as def helped put those New York Times videos out there for the public to see.

you're mixing a lot of stuff up here m8..

Sorry i'm not saying and sharing Avi Leob's and Michio Kaku thoughts because I think they are proof that UAP are alien, just showing clearly that at least two brilliant physicists believe it's possible for that to be the case. They have no issue with it. So the arm-chair comments that the universe is 'too big' or physics 'too understood' is not something the experts agree with you on. They are open, and possibly in belief, that the UAPs might be alien.
 
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Who do you think makes up the intelligence conmunity Jetflag. It’s scientists, data analysts, engineers, aeronautics, aviators, counter intelligence operatives, and more. It’s every speciality imaginable reporting up the chain of command to the D.N.I.
 

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Who do you think makes up the intelligence conmunity Jetflag. It’s scientists, data analysts, engineers, aeronautics, aviators, counter intelligence operatives, and more. It’s every speciality imaginable reporting up the chain of command to the D.N.I.
who mostly consists of bureaucrats, management, politicians and people concerned with funding and who are also the ones releasing and auditing the UAP nothing-burger reports we've been seeing so far, and coïncidently the ones we're refering to/the subject on what an ad veracundeam fallacy is or isn't 😄

The "conclusion" of the overwhealming majority of down the lines scientists, data analysts, engineers and aviation specialist etc. so far is at worst "thats balogy" and at best " we don't know"

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Sorry i'm not saying and sharing Avi Leob's and Michio Kaku thoughts because I think they are proof that UAP are alien, just showing clearly that at least two brilliant physicists believe it's possible for that to be the case. They have no issue with it. So the arm-chair comments that the universe is 'too big' or physics 'too understood' is not something the experts agree with you on. They are open, and possibly in belief, that the UAPs might be alien.
Yeah I don't think micho Kaku or Avi Leob for that matter has no issue with temporal paradoxes associated with FTL m8 😄 they're a huge problem for anyone wanting to ftl and understanding the subject matter....its like a division by 0...Again, I think you're mixing up stuff/ reading what you want to read.

Avi Leob advocates that Oumuamua might be an alien probe. Not that it travelled C plus or via a wormhole and broke reality, not that it contains little green men with telescopes on it..... A probe. Which could lead us to finally discovering concrete evidence of there (having been) alien life out there, (not in there) Hence me thinking its such an interresting case.

As for Kaku, he is (besides a "by necessity" string theorist) A futurist, much like carl Sagan... so when he has an open talk on Joe Rogan having a good time and wildly speculating on the absolute fringes of the maybe possible.. He does that in that capacity, not in his quote on quote "official" function as a theoretical physicis.

he's actually been called out on this


(which I don't think is completely fair by the way, you should seperate the futurist/science communicator from the actual scientific credentials)

Michio Kaku's specific field of scientific expertise is, like said, String or M theory.. things like "relativistic strings, loops and pomerons" This is a field of science consisting mostly of abstract mathematics. Real world application or even things like testability/verifiablity or possibility itself isn't even been taking into account in that subset. :)

and look, to extend a bit of an olive branch to you and @Manofearth from the neh saying camp that i'm on concerning aliens visiting us in physics breaking objects... I'll go as far saying that is not impossible in the absolute sense of the word, But to quote from the article above.

"When tricky, biased observations are put up agains the laws of physics, I will bet on the laws of physics every single time."
 
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New UAP video released by the Pentagon. Secret tech, or something else? Where is the evidence of propulsion or wings? Unfortunately the pentagon did not release the speed and size. They don't know what it is.

 

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Great podcast about Oumuamua's features and (possible) unique non-standard composition^
 

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You guys see the latest updated from NASA and their role now in the UAP topic? Panel of 16 scientists, ranging from astronauts, astro-physicists, computer scientists, biologists, aviation experts, data analysts, engineers etc taking on study to understand what UAP are.

“NASA has brought together some of the world's leading scientists, data and artificial intelligence practitioners, aerospace safety experts, all with a specific charge, which is to tell us how to apply the full focus of science and data to UAP,” said Evans. “The findings will be released to the public in conjunction with NASA’s principles of transparency, openness, and scientific integrity.”

Like Congress, the Pentagon and Navy, NASA believe this to be a serious topic worthy of investigation. Are we dealing with another inept institution, fooled by mundane objects in the sky? Or maybe they are also part of the suggested conspiracy to convince the world of aliens to get more funding? Or are the multiple claims of something otherworldly possibly true? I think in a few years the latter will be confirmed.

 

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June was incredible month for disclosure. We get Dave Grusch, one of the highest ranking intelligence officials in the US, who after investigating UAP for 2 years goes on national TV and states not only that visitation is real , but that the US has a 70 years crash retrieval program and recovered craft and bodies. Multiple high ranking peers come out and back him and his claims.

He takes his evidence to the Inspector General, who validates it to be "credible and urgent". As a results it's passed onto the Senate Intelligence Committee and Congress, where he testifies under oath for 11 hours (alongside 8 other separate testifying witnesses). 3 weeks pass and multiple congressional reps come out and back up the claims. Not a single person yet to dispute his claims.

As a result of the evidence, a new Senate intelligence bill has been written that specifically demands private aerospace companies who hold ALIEN CRAFT hand it over to the Pentagons UAP office within 6 months!!! From the amendment directly: “a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material" possessed and to make it available to the AARO director for "assessment, analysis, and inspection."

Why on earth is congress demanding the necessity for this legislation if they don't know this to be true?
 

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Hate to throw a cynical spanner in the works. But even if alien space crafts are revealed. Who's to say they aren't man made to look like they are alien space crafts. The cynical side in me is worried that these high officials are revealing stuff thats made up along with alien ships to form some kind of eventual control of people and society.
Stranger things happen elsewhere.
 

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June was incredible month for disclosure. We get Dave Grusch, one of the highest ranking intelligence officials in the US, who after investigating UAP for 2 years goes on national TV and states not only that visitation is real , but that the US has a 70 years crash retrieval program and recovered craft and bodies. Multiple high ranking peers come out and back him and his claims.

He takes his evidence to the Inspector General, who validates it to be "credible and urgent". As a results it's passed onto the Senate Intelligence Committee and Congress, where he testifies under oath for 11 hours (alongside 8 other separate testifying witnesses). 3 weeks pass and multiple congressional reps come out and back up the claims. Not a single person yet to dispute his claims.

As a result of the evidence, a new Senate intelligence bill has been written that specifically demands private aerospace companies who hold ALIEN CRAFT hand it over to the Pentagons UAP office within 6 months!!! From the amendment directly: “a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material" possessed and to make it available to the AARO director for "assessment, analysis, and inspection."

Why on earth is congress demanding the necessity for this legislation if they don't know this to be true?
He did say that the bodies and craft retrieval stuff was what he’d heard from other ‘trusted’ people and hadn’t seen any of them directly himself.

As Hitchens once said “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”
As much as I’d love all this to turn out to be true, I’m still yet to see anything more compelling than vague documents and grainy film footage.

Also, did you see any of the interviews with him? He’s sketchy as fuck :ROFLMAO:
 
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The fact of the matter is If Grusch's claims were false or came without strong evidence, the Inspector General would not have publicly called it credible and would not have passed it onto the Senate and House intelligence committees, who upon reviewing it this last 3 weeks have only continued to back it, going as far as writing actual legislation which demands aerospace companies to hand over alien craft. It's clearly not just grapevine hearsay he's provided otherwise none of the aforementioned would have happened.

In short, everyone at the highest level of government is convinced by what he has provided, and they are acting upon it in real time with legislation. No one is countering or criticizing him. A public hearing looks like it will be taking place at the end of the month, meaning he will testify under oath (again) for the public to see. Possibly alongside the other 8/9 witnesses.

We all want to see the evidence, which according to Grush is the names of the programs and people involved, testimonies and 1000s of pages of documentation, including pictures, videos and analysis from craft and bodies. These are from highly classified military operations and Special Access Programs that even certain members of congress do not even have clearance to hear in private settings. The US Gov can never just gonna upload everything open source for us to read on reddit, and that's just the reality of it.

Asking the question again @jetflag ...If this is all bullshit, what is the need for congress to write this legislation?
 
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The fact of the matter is If Grusch's claims were false or came without strong evidence, the Inspector General would not have publicly called it credible and would not have passed it onto the Senate and House intelligence committees, who upon reviewing it this last 3 weeks have only continued to back it, going as far as writing actual legislation which demands aerospace companies to hand over alien craft. It's clearly not just grapevine hearsay he's provided otherwise none of the aforementioned would have happened.

In short, everyone at the highest level of government is convinced by what he has provided, and they are acting upon it in real time with legislation. No one is countering or criticizing him. A public hearing looks like it will be taking place at the end of the month, meaning he will testify under oath (again) for the public to see. Possibly alongside the other 8/9 witnesses.

We all want to see the evidence, which according to Grush is the names of the programs and people involved, testimonies and 1000s of pages of documentation, including pictures, videos and analysis from craft and bodies. These are from highly classified military operations and Special Access Programs that even certain members of congress do not even have clearance to hear in private settings. The US Gov can never just gonna upload everything open source for us to read on reddit, and that's just the reality of it.

Asking the question again @jetflag ...If this is all bullshit, what is the need for congress to write this legislation?
I’m actually with the sceptical side of @bobby shuma on this and believe these type of legislative measures to be nothing more then a (future) tool to legitimise and ultimately white-wash (more) tax payer money into branch of government into things like “more research needed” that for 50 years hasn’t brought forth anything substantial.

I think, and that’s probably why I somewhat annoyed keep coming back to this topic, that good , well meaning and hopefull people, believers if you will,are being held a carrot on a stick in front off much like the promise of heaven in a-many religions in the ultimate goal of making a buck.

I find the legislation itself to be weird at best. It targets private aerospace companies as if they are already in possession of alien materials and tech.

newsflash. If only one of them where, we’d already be seeing the results of that in militairy and commercial applications since they’re, you know, private companies, aiming to profit of off that.

and since I haven’t been able to find (or purchase) anything remotely upto the capabilities that these alleged aliens objects display…