UFOs and Aliens

[jetflag]

^ So faster than light is impossible forever in your eyes?

if you still wish to go back home afterwards; Yes.

There are galaxy's causally disconnected from us who's "historical" light is redshifting away from us.
the space between us and them is expanding faster then light, making it impossible for us (or them) to ever reach one another, or communicate.

to do so would mean your "clock" would have to tick backwards, whilst you somehow still being stationairy or moving forward in time.

 

[Katadunkass]

Another thing most folks also dont seem to be able to grasp or put in their minds is:

the speed of light is not about light.

its about causality/ causal connection

this is why any hypothetical ftl is a defacto time machine that would allow one to travel back to a point in space-time before setting off and even before you where born and causally effecting that event, creating a paradox.

100% - here's a great video about it

 

[TwinSilo]

Let me say it like this; I'm definitely not willing to just accept eye-witness testimony and some satellite and half-assed image information if it means we have to turn our entire understanding of how the Universe works upside down.

You didn’t really answer the question as to why the US’s highest ranking military and intelligence officials, including two Directors of National intelligence and multiple CIA directors, are reaching different conclusions to yourself, all in alignment that the UAPs are not human. Why? That demands an explanation doesn’t it?

 

[jetflag]

You didn’t really answer the question as to why the US’s highest ranking military and intelligence officials, including two Directors of National intelligence and multiple CIA directors, are reaching different conclusions to yourself, all in alignment that the UAPs are not human. Why? That demands an explanation doesn’t it?

in my estimation: “ militairofficials” and “directors” Aren’t the most bright people when it comes to things like physics, plausibility and the nature of reality.
they’re just very effective and succesfull managers/ leaders.

They’re also very good at getting funds

Look, i get that these are important people and maybe you look up to them, but your argument is whats called an Ad Veracundeam.

Argument from authority - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

so basically:

“The pope is a more important person then me, therefor whatever he sais or thinks on x theological subject must be true”

 

[Bobby Summa]

if you still wish to go back home afterwards; Yes.

There are galaxy's causally disconnected from us who's "historical" light is redshifting away from us.
the space between us and them is expanding faster then light, making it impossible for us (or them) to ever reach one another, or communicate.

to do so would mean your "clock" would have to tick backwards, whilst you somehow still being stationairy or moving forward in

Enlightening man! Sounds like an experience I once had

 

[jetflag]

Enlightening man! Sounds like an experience I once had

nice one

 

[Hensmon]

not impressed, and probably why the overwhelming majority of experts isn’t either. But you’re free to be if you want too

Impressed isn't really the right word. It's definitely interesting and strange effect (just look at it again), even if it is your described mach diamonds from perfectly positioned fighter jet... which it absolutely is not. The fact that the object travels with them for 100s of miles, for over 30 minutes, is proof enough of that. It also "shone beam of light across the cockpit and fuselage" and "changes position".

I think it's very interesting case and video actually. Whatever all these UAP turn out to be it shows that there are indeed very strange craft operating in the skies, in which no valid explanations (have yet) been offered. Secret military technology is definitely a viable option in UAP cases, but birds, balloons and standard aircraft it's clearly not.

And that's the core issue I have with the sceptic view, that all of the fuss on this topic; the congressional hearings and reports, pentagon programs, news interviews, claims of ET etc, is just catastrophic confusion over what's actually prosaic objects in the sky. I think that's a truly foolish and weak position tbh, with no evidence, flying in the face of rational thinking and not helped when the sceptical attempts to explain away the UAP in this manner are nonsensical and disproven (see Gimbal).

 

[Bobby Summa]

This is an interesting video about real Alien life on earth. An investigation into a place in Tibet where water does peculiar things like boil for no logical reason, where things look otherworldly, and a place that feels like it doesn’t belong here. Mansarovar. Tibet.

To some the techniques to prove it are very abstract. The most interesting thing is that I have watched over 300 Sadhguru videos and never seen him look uncomfortable apart from in this video. Sadhguru is a man who travels the world talking to politicians, scientists, psychologists, doctors and also various countries famous people in an attempt to enlighten people. He also promotes keeping the earth a sustainable place to live. Considered Enlightened himself, He’s a Yogi, the only one i bother listening to apart from the desist Osho. Whether spiritual people are an interest to you or, you (like me sometimes) think they talk clever rubbish. Because this very interesting man did this investigation, it makes me wonder what the heck is going on in in Mansarovar in Tibet.

 

[jetflag]

Impressed isn't really the right word. It's definitely interesting and strange effect (just look at it again), even if it is your described mach diamonds from perfectly positioned fighter jet... which it absolutely is not. The fact that the object travels with them for 100s of miles, for over 30 minutes, is proof enough of that. It also "shone beam of light across the cockpit and fuselage" and "changes position".

So its totally impossible and absolutely absurd that an exhaust plume (or other light) from a jet is what we're seeing on this
very blurry, constantly in-out focus, low res footage of a light on a pitch black night that you linked above...of which there is no available radar plot or other measuring tool to determine what the actual relative position/ distance/ parallax is because:

It travelled in the same direction of the plane at around the same speed for 30 minutes, changed position and its light at some point reflected across the cockpit.

I think it's very interesting case and video actually. Whatever all these UAP turn out to be it shows that there are indeed very strange craft operating in the skies, in which no valid explanations (have yet) been offered. Secret military technology is definitely a viable option in UAP cases, but birds, balloons and standard aircraft it's clearly not.

Double back there...I did mention the option of a stealth aircraft earlier on, but other then that no, sorry not sorry, I don't see why the 2-go option has to be something out of the ordinairy such as " physics breaking secret militairy stuff" or "aliens visiting us"

And that's the core issue I have with the sceptic view, that all of the fuss on this topic; the congressional hearings and reports, pentagon programs, news interviews, claims of ET etc, is just catastrophic confusion over what's actually prosaic objects in the sky. I think that's a truly foolish and weak position tbh, with no evidence, flying in the face of rational thinking and not helped when the sceptical attempts to explain away the UAP in this manner are nonsensical and disproven (see Gimbal).

Extraordinairy claims (aliens, physics breaking secret tech) require extraordinairy evidence. Mundaine claims do not, the burden of proof is firmly in your camp.

other then that you are by all means free to be annoyed at my neckbeardiness and others But as someone who's been involved and interrested in this topic from a young age and having been dissapointed a lot.. I find the position that this has to be physics bending secret goverment experiments or aliens a form of wishfull thinking.

but i'm happy to be proven wrong

 

[Manofearth]

Blog post from physicist Avi Leob, who was the one to study the first foreign body to enter our solar system, Oumuamua. I understand he made a case in his paper that it had artificial composition, but received push back that actually it was a hydrogen iceberg. Here is his response.

 

[jetflag]

Blog post from physicist Avi Leob, who was the one to study the first foreign body DETECTED to enter our solar system, Oumuamua. I understand he made a case in his paper that it had artificial composition, but received push back that actually it was a hydrogen iceberg. Here is his response.

Thanks for this. @Hensmon now this^ is what I call an interresting/ impressive in case you where wondering.

Oumuamua, especially given its irregular shape and orbit (and now composition) remains quote the mystery suspected to come from the Vega region. initial radio signal detections where negative, but more are planned including (I think) something approaching lidar.

 

[TwinSilo]

in my estimation: “ militairofficials” and “directors” Aren’t the most bright people when it comes to things like physics

The Director of National intelligence has a degree in physics.

 

[jetflag]

The Director of National intelligence has a degree in physics.

And so does my uncle, and Ken Ham has a degree in evolutionairy biology,

that still doesn't make the Earth only 6000 years old.

you are still, engaging in an Ad Veracundeam fallacy..