UFOs and Aliens

jetflag

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Thinking about the aliens visiting us for gas theory again...I saw it mentioned before that because our system has no unique, rare or special resources they have no reason to visit for that purpose. I am not sure about that.

I think its the wrong perspective. It's not a matter of special resources, just a matter of convenience, like visiting the only gas station on the long road in the desert. Gas is a common commodity, but at a point and place in time it's simply required to stop there. A traveller may not have Earth as a destination but the proximity relevant to the route makes sense. With such gaps in between systems it seems very likely you would need to stop at places along the way. Routes would probably be mapped to pass locations with wide material options. That will apply to every system probably, but it all comes down to the road you are taking.
Good point, a convinient gas-stop along the way between systems basically.

i would still posit that the aliens in question wouldn’t go all the way to the inner planets as it’s simply more efford then it’s worth for a mere gas stop, and mine the resources near the Jovian moons or Saturn. The former also having plenty of (smaller) gravity assist bodies should they benefit from that drive wise

but fair point non the less
 
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What if they need water. Some moons have water, but under deep layers of solid ice or rock. Earth is the only surface and stable water body in the solar system. If they need this then we are the best stop.

If they need instead something from Jupiter, and already have the technology to make the trip across different solar systems, then popping over to see Earth would be like walking to the shop next door. I don't see it being any significant effort.

Not to dwell on this too much. Someone (who wasn't you) originally declared that aliens have no reason to visit earth, but simple thought exercise shows otherwise, whether practical or inquisitive. The galaxy may even be dangerous place, and UFOs may be probes making quick analysis of the species technological capabilities. I wouldn't pretend to know other life forms motives either way.
 
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jetflag

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What if they need water. Some moons have water, but under deep layers of solid ice or rock. Earth is the only surface and stable water body in the solar system. If they need this then we are the best stop.

If they need instead something from Jupiter, and already have the technology to make the trip across different solar systems, then popping over to see Earth would be like walking to the shop next door. I don't see it being any significant effort.

Not to dwell on this too much. Someone (who wasn't you) originally declared that aliens have no reason to visit earth, but simple thought exercise shows otherwise, whether practical or inquisitive. The galaxy may even be dangerous place, and UFOs may be probes making quick analysis of the species technological capabilities. I wouldn't pretend to know other life forms motives either way.
Well Water is one part hydrogen two part oxygen. So you only need to collect or distill those to make water..

but even still asteroids in the belt and the exoplanets before the Jovian system will provide you with plenty of ice to simply chop off and melt.

the problem with earth as a source for minerals or elements is also that you’re very likely to end up in a nuclear arms conflict with the dominant species there, if you just decide to come over and nick stuff ;)
 

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Good point, a convinient gas-stop along the way between systems basically.
That’s essentially *spoiler alert* the plot to Arthur C Clarke’s ‘Rendezvous With Rama’
(I’m currently reading the second one!)

Quite the reality check for humanity, for which everything changes, to find that Rama is essentially doing a quick fly-by of the sun for a refuel before heading back out on its millennia long journey.

Great books, highly recommended!
 
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jetflag

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That’s essentially *spoiler alert* the plot to Arthur C Clarke’s ‘Rendezvous With Rama’
(I’m currently reading the second one!)

Quite the reality check for humanity, for which everything changes, to find that Rama is essentially doing a quick fly-by of the sun for a refuel before heading back out on its millennia long journey.

Great books, highly recommended!
Thomas bronzwaer remade the O’Neil cylinder from that book in 3D if I’m not mistaken
 
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The man of the hour

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I saw this today in my twitter feed. It is a quote from a US congressman after leaving a classified environment to review UAP evidence. It helped me realize how I feel on this topic so I’m going to vocalize.

Something highly unusual is clearly and obviously operating in the skies. Every single person and institution brought in so far on the matter concludes this. Frankly it has to be total denial to believe nothing is happening here. Commenters who are insisting UAP are absolutely nothing or "normal" are no different than those insisting they are spectacularly abnormal (alien). I only commented in defense of Leob before because the 'criticism' of him was so asinine that it comes across as byproduct of said denial.

I don’t care what Dr Leob believes. Extraterrestrial is still and by far the LEAST LIKELY reason for the vehicles, and that's how I feel. However to flippantly ignore the evidently growing number of credible and respectable voices, ones that are in best position to know what’s what, who claim otherwise, is pure bias or denial in the face of facts. If you want to be immature an lump this endless number of institutions and individuals together into some grand and completely non-sensical alien hoax conspiracy - to which there is not a shred of evidence for - in order to reconcile this then by all means keep the fingers in the ear and head in the sand while rest of the adults thankfully continue to take this topic seriously.

Personally my belief is that what we are witnessing is the uncovering of a military or aerospace company who have made a significant scientific breakthrough, one that has allowed them to construct technology that goes far beyond what we in the public sphere consider to be remotely achievable. God help us if it actually turns out to be China flying these.

This is what the pilots are seeing and discussing in congress, and these are the programs that Grusch is providing evidence from. For whatever reason, his interpretation is alien. Maybe because the tech is so abnormal he mistakes it as such, or maybe because he is being fed a line in order to obfuscate and confuse away from the reality. But one of those must be taking place and clearly with enough credibility and conviction behind it to convince the entire US gov to go as far as to write laws about “non human” vehicle transparency. If there’s even the remotest 1% chance his assessment is actually correct, the every ounce of seriousness and attention should be focused on confirming it, because the implications are beyond imagining. We need answers, not denial. It would completely change the world.
 

TwinSilo

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Well fucking said. I disagree with you that UAP are solely from huge leap in black budget programs. Grusch is obviously telling the truth and correct in what he found out, which means we’ve had non human technology for at least 70 years. Who knows what we developed ourselves from having access to that.

Btw the current head of the Pentagon’s UAP office Kirkpatrick (who steps down end of year) shared similar views recently to what you posted…

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Agree with most of what you said @Manofearth, and get the frustration on the slow progress to the truth. Absolutely agree that it's obvious UAP represent something physical and are under intelligent control, no one credible disagrees with that fact, and thankfully even the sceptics are moving past that now too.

Whether this is non-human, or hyper advanced foreign or US tech is up for debate, but those are the only options. There's quite a lot of evidence for the former and so far not a single piece for the latter...but nothing definitive either way yet.

I know you mentioned you don't like conspiracies but unfortunately its unavoidable however you choose to look at it; Either 1. the most obscure conspiracy ever conceived, as 100's of individuals at the highest levels across the world aim to trick everyone aliens are visiting (no evidence so far), or 2. an unaccounted branch of the military and private defense sector have been operating without oversight and hiding the biggest secret in human history (overwhelming evidence to be true).
 
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jetflag

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No. Those are not the only two options.
There is still a valid third option

massive government psyops

In where the goal ís, as Eric Weinstein recently aptly put it, uncertainty (or misdirection)