Jetflag
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- Jul 17, 2020
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@Hot Tuna, you’re being shown as wrong across all acounts, in real time.
Pfizer/Moderna clinical trial data now available to the public. Their own data clearly states that 1 in 800 vaccinated saw ‘serious adverse events’. Yes, vaccines do have the capacity to cause harm and it’s not a conspiracy as you hoped it to be, it is proven fact, from the vaccine companies own data. Source (see section 3.4 harm-benefit considerations).
Then, last Friday, the UK Health Secretary published its largest risk analysis to date, looking at how many people you have to vaccinate to prevent 1 serious hospitilzation across all age groups. Source
Put simply:
[Age 50-69]
Risk of serious hospitalization from vaccine: 1 in 800
Risk of serious hospitalization from not being vaccinated: 1 in 250,000
Simple risk benefit analysis shows that you are at great risk from vaccinating than from not being vaccinated, and by great magnitudes. For ages 0-50 the number difference gets even more vast (1 in 706,600 for 20-29). This the UK governments own data, cross referenced against the vaccine manufacturers own data. The math is simple. Getting vaccinated carries far more risk than not getting vaccinated, across almost all age groups.
Yup, then again, If you torture Stats long enough, they'll confess to anything.
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This is something Pfizer.WHO and basically any government did during Covid at its height, but is also a trap that vaccine skeptics are at risk of falling into.
we can say a couple of things for certain post hoc though:
- Out of all the push and grandiose claims about the "miracle" COVID vaccines we ended up with a set of products that are fairly shit, won't prevent you from getting Covid or even dying from it, won't stop you spreading the virus regardless, have side effects and made a few rich people a hell of a lot richer. At best you're going to get another Purdue Pharma court case out of this.
- Forcing vaccines, or any other form of unwanted bodily intrusion onto people is and remains immoral. Regardless of the quality of the research or the product. This is not a Scientific matter, its an Ethical one.
- for most people the (false) idea of being safe or saved is a sine qua non for happiness and they will grow incredibly defensive, firmly putting their fingers in their ears screetching lalalala i can't hear you when you show them clear evidence that thats simply, demonstrably, not the case, and that they in fact are being manipulated/lied to. (this especially when the condition is irreversable, like with vaccinations).
Its useless trying to convince them otherwise, Its not that you may or may not have Truth on your side, its a bit like the old biblical proverb: Don't cast pearls before swine (or in this case, sheep). They've made their choice, you (and I) made ours. Everybody can live with the consequences from their (in) action. And I would suggest leaving it at that