I just posted it in here because it fits the thread - picture me as the devil who throws wood into the fire, but doesn't really care how big it getsThat video is embarrassing @Katadunkass and I'll show you why.
He spends 50% attacking Avi Leob, calling him 'unscientific'; Harvards literal head of Astrophysics ffs! Not only was Avi's first paper on Oumuamua compelling, but he then followed up with a 2nd paper months later which completely dismantled the criticisms and counter explanations provided.
Then this year, he believed that an object that burned up in the atmosphere and crashed in the ocean was interstellar in origin and possibly technological too. This was due to the unique characteristics it displayed when burning up into the atmosphere. On came the ridicule and criticism. He was told it was a "waste of time and money", that the evidence "shows it cannot be interstellar"...
Well guess what, he went on an expedition into the ocean and for the first time in Earth's history he found and confirmed the interstellar object - published in August. He is continuing to study it to see if it is also technological. He's literally made history.
The video really is absolutely pathetic attempt to discredit and dismiss a wonderful, curious scientific mind, who just made scientific history with an unprecedented discovery, proving every critic wrong so far. Interesting how you all want evidence of alien visitation and when someone provides it in 2 papers you easily swallow that he's 'un-scienftic' and 'gone nuts' because some Youtuber tells you. Why not actually listen to Avi Leob instead and form your own opinion?
Snowden brought evidence to the table,He also rips into testimony evidence and then 5 minutes later uses a testimony to attempt to discredit Leob
His first point is also so incredibly stupid, saying how if Grusch had any real evidence why not just leak it like Edward Snowdon...what, the man who had to flea his home country to Russia to avoid being tried for treason? Obvious why Grusch has not revealed classified information he's not been cleared for.
It ís a belief shared by most physicists, given a certain threshold in au/ lightyears. Simply because of entropy..Perhaps I should have specified the distance factor more clearly.I remember originally I brought up Loeb simply to counter earlier claims that no respectable scientist takes the alien hypothesis seriously (incorrect), that there was no scientific evidence to back it (incorrect), and correct me if I’m wrong, that you believe the possibility of aliens actually being able to get to earth is essentially zero (which I’m showing is not a belief shared by phyicists)?
Because we know the universe is filled to the brim with (odd shaped) asteroids or comets of which we have ample example and evidence..whereas we have only one example of an artificial object that has left its home star, namely our own voyager probe.That really was the only points I ever made. So far I’ve not mentioned once that Avi’s beliefs or papers are the definitive proof of anything, or what I base my own belief on, so not sure where you got all that from? Unfortunately something like Oumuamua could never give us a definitive answer, but could we not argue that our best assumption should be that it is technological, considering that’s what the best and only evidence suggests? Why do you assume instead that it is an asteroid when we have 2 papers that show (prove?) that it isn’t?
why would they need sending someone to our shithole
that's very (overly, to me) exciting approach at pretty much everything I'd rather stay sceptical aboutI find this planet to be exceptional, not a shit hole. The beauty in all the biospheres cannot even be counted. Even if they have seen a million planets I still bet ours has something unique. And besides, humans are interesting, even to advanced life probably. We ourselves study 'lesser' lifeforms all the time, like ants and microbes. There's no way our various culture is not unique too, and if it isn't, well thats interesting too, that two different worlds separated by great distances can produce the same thing.Life by default is fascinating, its a god damn miracle actually. I think they would appreciate that quite a bit.
thats actually a sentiment i can get aboard with.I find this planet to be exceptional, not a shit hole. The beauty in all the biospheres cannot even be counted. Even if they have seen a million planets I still bet ours has something unique. And besides, humans are interesting, even to advanced life probably. We ourselves study 'lesser' lifeforms all the time, like ants and microbes. There's no way our various culture is not unique too, and if it isn't, well thats interesting too, that two different worlds separated by great distances can produce the same thing.Life by default is fascinating, its a god damn miracle actually. I think they would appreciate that quite a bit.
Snowden brought evidence to the table,
Grusch said “people told me so”
Twin, Regardless of whether or not Snowden had the balls to face the full consequences of his desire to expose the truth and Grusch didn't, the fact remains that Snowden brought undeniable, proper, and verifibale evidence to the table. and Grusch hasn't done that so far.As I said... Snowden had to leak classified information in order to do that, meaning he now faces charges of treason. Grusch I assume would rather not have to flee the country, hence why he choose not to leak classified information to the public. What he did instead was submit his evidence officially to the Inspector General, who deemed it worthy ("credible" in his words) to pass on to the House Intelligence committee, who deemed serious enough to write a amendment that targets military and private aerospace companies. Clearly there's evidence.
And as of last week we now know it was up to 30 witnesses, including those with first-hand experience, so not just "people told me so". - source
"Testimony has included both first-hand and second-hand reports of crash retrieval and reverse-engineering programs by US, Russian, and Chinese governments; the testing of materials obtained from retrieved craft; active and ongoing government disinformation operations; kinetic military action with UAPs; contact and collaboration with nonhuman intelligence (NHIs); and the successful reverse-engineering of a triangle-shaped craft with unconventional propulsion."